UA 50 seat announcement
07-01-2021, 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by GA2Jets
You and I both know that the regional industry changes quickly and often unpredictably. There's no particular reason to think that G7s flying couldn't be taken away (see Xjets 175 program) or that just because you don't know what's next doesn't mean there's nothing at all (see AW losing the AA contract).
Your certainty of demise isn't any more justified than my optimism.
Your certainty of demise isn't any more justified than my optimism.
As far as certainty? The one thing I am certain of is the regional landscape on the UA side is going to look a lot different in the very near future.
That I’m certain of . Draw your own conclusions and proceed with caution because the objects in the mirror are closer than they appear 🤣😅
07-01-2021, 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by GA2Jets
Your certainty of demise isn't any more justified than my optimism.
07-01-2021, 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by TransWorld
I will make a prediction. There will be several regionals flying 50 seaters exclusively that will merge/integrate into other airlines or close in the next few years. The handwriting is on the wall with United. I expect AA and Delta will follow reducing their 50 seater flying.
Their niche is getting pretty narrow: short range and close to 50 pax... not many fewer and not many more.
Also they have to consider do they want to do a planned. controlled drawdown, or wait to flail when some age-related problem that impacts reliability or, worse, safety? UAX lost a small, aging fleet to a sudden safety problem not too long ago.
07-01-2021, 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by coodrough568
Can someone tell me where this new flying is going to come from? UA is scoped out on large RJ’s, that’s why the 550 is even a thing. So the questions that can’t be answered: Where is this flying coming from? And where are the planes coming from?
Who do you guys think the flying will be for, Spirit?
Who do you guys think the flying will be for, Spirit?
07-02-2021, 04:03 AM
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Originally Posted by flightlessbirds
...remember that ZW did the whole AirTran Jet Connect thing, so that idea isn't as outlandish as most would think.
Ua is scoped out , Delta is parking theirs , aa definitely dosent want them .
Id like to think there is hope but reality is setting in .
I wonder what the price of scrap aluminum /sheet metal is going for these days? They might want to check .
07-02-2021, 05:07 AM
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Originally Posted by coodrough568
Can someone tell me where this new flying is going to come from? UA is scoped out on large RJ’s, that’s why the 550 is even a thing. So the questions that can’t be answered: Where is this flying coming from? And where are the planes coming from?
Who do you guys think the flying will be for, Spirit?
Who do you guys think the flying will be for, Spirit?
Another possibility is that AW flies some 200s to small markets and some 550s, so a mixed product instead of just the one. Another possibility is trying to bid any of those types of flying for Delta, AA or even a new venture.
Personally, my money is on competing directly against G7 for 550 flying while trying to get a small slice of the 76 seat market. Delta and AA use many 900s, there's no reason to think that at the right price point, UA wouldn't do the same.
07-02-2021, 05:09 AM
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Originally Posted by idlethrust
Some people are so dillusional. What happened 30 years ago has no bearing or effect on the market / customer demands of today .I seriously doubt if spirit or southwest wants 65 old 50 seaters.
Ua is scoped out , Delta is parking theirs , aa definitely dosent want them .
Id like to think there is hope but reality is setting in .
I wonder what the price of scrap aluminum /sheet metal is going for these days? They might want to check .
Ua is scoped out , Delta is parking theirs , aa definitely dosent want them .
Id like to think there is hope but reality is setting in .
I wonder what the price of scrap aluminum /sheet metal is going for these days? They might want to check .
07-02-2021, 05:32 AM
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Originally Posted by GA2Jets
There are a couple of possibilities. One is that with 900s fairly available on the market, AW could bid against 175 flying, try to replace a current 175 operator's market, say Mesa or Republic. Republic is probably most vulnerable because they are expensive and are mostly in ORD and EWR. Another similar possibility is that the increase in NB flying actually allows for more 76 seat aircraft, maybe allowing for a space for some 900s.
Another possibility is that AW flies some 200s to small markets and some 550s, so a mixed product instead of just the one. Another possibility is trying to bid any of those types of flying for Delta, AA or even a new venture.
Personally, my money is on competing directly against G7 for 550 flying while trying to get a small slice of the 76 seat market. Delta and AA use many 900s, there's no reason to think that at the right price point, UA wouldn't do the same.
Another possibility is that AW flies some 200s to small markets and some 550s, so a mixed product instead of just the one. Another possibility is trying to bid any of those types of flying for Delta, AA or even a new venture.
Personally, my money is on competing directly against G7 for 550 flying while trying to get a small slice of the 76 seat market. Delta and AA use many 900s, there's no reason to think that at the right price point, UA wouldn't do the same.
07-02-2021, 05:38 AM
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Originally Posted by GA2Jets
There are a couple of possibilities. One is that with 900s fairly available on the market, AW could bid against 175 flying, try to replace a current 175 operator's market, say Mesa or Republic. Republic is probably most vulnerable because they are expensive and are mostly in ORD and EWR. Another similar possibility is that the increase in NB flying actually allows for more 76 seat aircraft, maybe allowing for a space for some 900s.
Another possibility is that AW flies some 200s to small markets and some 550s, so a mixed product instead of just the one. Another possibility is trying to bid any of those types of flying for Delta, AA or even a new venture.
Personally, my money is on competing directly against G7 for 550 flying while trying to get a small slice of the 76 seat market. Delta and AA use many 900s, there's no reason to think that at the right price point, UA wouldn't do the same.
Another possibility is that AW flies some 200s to small markets and some 550s, so a mixed product instead of just the one. Another possibility is trying to bid any of those types of flying for Delta, AA or even a new venture.
Personally, my money is on competing directly against G7 for 550 flying while trying to get a small slice of the 76 seat market. Delta and AA use many 900s, there's no reason to think that at the right price point, UA wouldn't do the same.
Yes they can bid for any additional 7/900 flying but do you really think ZW can underbid Mesa and Skywest and operate on a profit ?Not likely.
All of the 700 Skywest operates they own , Mesa owns all of its 900s.
Skywest has few DL owned 900s I think but not many .
So even if they miraculously find some to buy , where are they going to place them ?
Im not predicting doom and gloom but you have to look at facts and come to your own conclusion.
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