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Old 12-12-2015, 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by CAirBear View Post
Well... Two consecutive Vacancy Notices with CA slots. GTFO of town. That can't be right lol

Got my iPad on the 10th. Granted I haven't done my IBT yet (I know, I know doing it tomorrow lol), but so far the Navtech app and interface has been a truly horrible experience.
Couldn't disagree more. It's totally 100% painless to use. It literally could not be anymore simple. Destination airport. Arrival airport. Here are the charts.
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Old 12-13-2015, 02:25 PM
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I'm on my 2nd trip using my iPad 2 with the software. There's a learning curve, no doubt about it, but I'm not finding it to be awful. I'm not sure Jeppesen electronic would be better. We're all used to the paper and there will be a period of adjustment.
The Jepp app would be better - that said from using it for the past two years. The learning curve would be in getting used to navigating the application, but the charts are exactly what we lug around. Also, Jeppesen has been making improvements to their app, trying to keep up with what Foreflight has been adding as far as features. NavTech has a bit of work to do to match the features that Jepp has, plus we have to get used to the differences in how the data is presented. I'm not quite sure I'm ready to shoot an ILS to mins with the NavTech charts just yet...

And as soneone else asked, it's all about the $$$.
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Old 12-13-2015, 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Flubber View Post
The Jepp app would be better - that said from using it for the past two years. The learning curve would be in getting used to navigating the application, but the charts are exactly what we lug around. Also, Jeppesen has been making improvements to their app, trying to keep up with what Foreflight has been adding as far as features. NavTech has a bit of work to do to match the features that Jepp has, plus we have to get used to the differences in how the data is presented. I'm not quite sure I'm ready to shoot an ILS to mins with the NavTech charts just yet...

And as soneone else asked, it's all about the $$$.
You didn't really just compare the Jepp app to Foreflight did you?. They are worlds apart in quality. The Jepp app gets the job done barely. Foreflight is not even in the same playing field. If Jepp has been trying to keep up with them, they have done a very poor job. They're about 5 years behind in my opinion which is an eternity in the tech world.
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Old 12-13-2015, 04:39 PM
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You didn't really just compare the Jepp app to Foreflight did you?. They are worlds apart in quality. The Jepp app gets the job done barely. Foreflight is not even in the same playing field. If Jepp has been trying to keep up with them, they have done a very poor job. They're about 5 years behind in my opinion which is an eternity in the tech world.
I was in the AWAC JeppView test group and while the charts are different and have a few errors, which are easily fixex.... The Navtech app is much faster and easier to toggle through charts... JeppView was sluggish and you spent too much time focused on making sure you selected the right chart rather than heads up
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Old 12-13-2015, 04:51 PM
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FltPlan.com on an ipad has everything you need. All plates, maps, SIDs & STARS. It's free. You just have to update it when the revisions come out. Takes less than 10 minutes. It'll even save your navigation log, which has all of the waypoints, VOR Freq's, time to navigate, time remaining, and fuel used. Enroute you can pull up your navlog and have everything you need. You don't even need an internet connection in flight. It's pretty cool. I'm not an ipad guy.....Not at all. I learned it in short order and use it every flight. Of course, I'm using it in general aviation so the FAA would let it be used in 121 for 15 more years. LOL!
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Old 12-13-2015, 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by word302 View Post
You didn't really just compare the Jepp app to Foreflight did you?. They are worlds apart in quality. The Jepp app gets the job done barely. Foreflight is not even in the same playing field. If Jepp has been trying to keep up with them, they have done a very poor job. They're about 5 years behind in my opinion which is an eternity in the tech world.
I did - although by no means do I mean to imply that Jepp FD is close to Foreflight, just that Jeppesen has made vast improvements to their product which I believe is because of what Foreflight has done. As far as Jepp is behind the curve compared to Foreflight, Navtech is that much further behind Jepp (my opinion only).

Before you knock on me too badly... I know what Foreflight can do. I can flight plan in the comfort of my easy chair, get an official briefing and file my flight plan*. I can then load the flight plan from FF into my onboard GPS - and display ADS-B in data on my iPad (traffic, text WX and NEXRAD overlays). I also get a "not for primary navigation" AHRS display on the iPad. Plus the ability to overlay the approach chart on the enroute chart and show ownship position. All neat stuff that we probably won't see in the 121 environment for some time.

* guaranteed not to crash, as the mainstream media seems to think that most GA accidents are because the pilot didn't file a flight plan
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Old 12-13-2015, 05:36 PM
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Navtech crashes on launch on my iPad 2. Completely unusable even after troubleshooting with chief pilot.

No bueno.
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Old 12-13-2015, 06:45 PM
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Navtech crashes on launch on my iPad 2. Completely unusable even after troubleshooting with chief pilot.

No bueno.
At this point...doesn't everything crash on the iPad 2? Of course they promised it wouldn't so that is AWAC's problem.

As for all those folks who are screaming about Foreflight...yeah would be great but it's AWAC paying the bills and that is a key reason Navtech looks sexy to them.
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Old 12-13-2015, 08:45 PM
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At this point...doesn't everything crash on the iPad 2? Of course they promised it wouldn't so that is AWAC's problem.

As for all those folks who are screaming about Foreflight...yeah would be great but it's AWAC paying the bills and that is a key reason Navtech looks sexy to them.
For a company that makes close to a million dollars a week (maybe its a month - either way), its embarrassing and pathetic they don't just SPEND SOME DAMN MONEY for something that isn't a joke. I updated to to the latest charts (revision) last night. I use it today and still get a message telling me that my current chart still has errors on it (who knows what they are - how would I know?). Seriously dude? I'm going to laugh my ass off when these issues aren't resolved, properly, by the time their Jepp subscription runs out by the end of the month. What are you gonna do then? We were already supposed to be "live" with this Dec 1.

It is not a coincidence that Republic told Navtech to pound sand after their trial. Leave it to us, a profitable, stable and certainly not poor company, to cheap out yet again.

Seriously. You can make money in this world and not be cheap as **** at the same time. Good lord.
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Old 12-14-2015, 02:01 AM
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Guess I'll come out and be the first to say it, Maybe they went cheap so if this place closes shop in 2 years the investors will walk away with the most amount of money possible... Just a thought but I wouldn't but my eggs in that basket.
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