[QUOTE=Mea25000;2511048]I don't know whether you will be proven wrong or right. I do know that ALPA-ALPA is more than "a guide" as supported by Federal law. It is my understanding that an arbitration panel must consider the policy as more than simply "a guide".

That is my only point.

https://law-articles.vlex.com/vid/se...tute-351067646

"..If the covered transaction involves employee groups represented by the same union, the statute provides that the union's internal merger policies apply exclusively, with no carrier involvement, except as to whether it will accept and implement the result of the integration process (i.e., the combined seniority list)...."


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I don’t understand the opposition to this thread. This is the most info or scenarios I’ve heard. I’d rather have an idea now then be blindsided by the arbitrator.

Have I talked to a rep? Yes
Did it help? No

 

Gold standard for what? It certainly has not been for mergers.

 

Need to take your emotions out of it, and come to grasps with this: Water under the bridge is irrelevant. Who was struggling five years ago is irrelevant. Who has existed for 85 years is irrelevant. Who has been employed for 40 years is irrelevant. All of that is water under the bridge.

They are going to look at current status and future prospects. VX was profitable in the years before the acquisition. Could it stay that way? Hard to know for sure, that and it's smaller size (and thus higher vulnerability) may weigh into the decision. AS financial position could weigh into it.

Probably no extra credit for payscale disparity...

1) That's already fixed (remember, don't look in the rear-view mirror).
2) VX was in the typical startup life cycle of having voted in the union and commenced negotiations. They will get some benefit of the doubt on payscale for that.

Senior AS folks will almost certainly retain their coveted positions in the PNW, they are reasonably entitled to that. Most VX folks aren't really interested in that anyway, unless they happen to live there already. Most will continue to commute to the CA bases (commuting to PNW sucks), or live in CA and drive to work... not everybody likes rain.

And nobody is going to trade a bus for a 73 just to get the type rating...

 

Yawn, more stuff to try and divide us. No wonder we will never have scope if we keep this dick measuring contest up.

 

What you say is true. There are no wide bodies and career expectations are the same (narrow body domestic Captain). Throw in a little credit for the Alaska high ground position and you get the arbitrators decision.
I have a feeling that there will be alot of expectations crushed in this SLI. It really is out of the pilots control so just f in chill and see what happens. Then pull up your pants and march on.

 

Not measuring anything, just stating how it's going to be (no dog in this fight).

Hopefully everybody will dust off and move out following the arbitrators decision.

 

Really? There are still guys on the list upset about the Jet A SLI.

 

What I wrote is not divisive, they are just numbers. Unless the two other arbiters see it 180 degrees different this is what you will see within pennies come late summer. I want nothing but good for every VX pilot. I am sure 99% of you are awesome. I want long incredible careers for us all. I write numbers and am called an idiot, sent hate messages. Really? I am sorry but when have I been wrong... Who has given you better info or numbers? I give numbers and until they are proven true I am accosted by haters.

 

I do think most pilots at VX need to look at these numbers.
Migration numbers based on address on file.
Reasonable migration numbers
VX pilots to SEA and PDX > 23%
VX pilots to ANC < 1%

AS pilots to SFO < 1%
AS pilots to JFK < 1%

So who’s career has any real possibility of being impacted? VX pilots...no only Alaska Pacific Northwest pilots have anything to lose in this SLI. How is any VX pilot career going to be harmed by this merger? LAX maybe if you are really trying to stretch for any uncertainty. You all are going to be just fine!