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03-31-2020, 02:57 PM
#101
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Originally Posted by AK22
It would seem 10-15% ASM would be about equivalent to reducing guarantee from 75 to 65 hours in the furlough mitigation portion of section 23. I haven’t seen that discussed here. We’ve been running wide open, with guys timing out at FAR limits. Reducing to 65 hours should be able to achieve the desired reduction without a furlough. That’s if the company and union can achieve the required “mutual agreement”.
M, Bronze level? But what is more likely, that or another round of consolidation?
03-31-2020, 03:08 PM
#102
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Originally Posted by Mea25000
Company plans to be 10-15% smaller in 2021. Company is also going to ask for a 18 month, 10 percent pay cut from the pilot group this fall. I think OTZ-Brown’s numbers are pretty good. I also agree that people should have all available information. For those that don’t know, OTZ was once furloughed, I am confident he understands its tragic impact.
03-31-2020, 03:27 PM
#104
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Originally Posted by OTZeagle1
My numbers included furlough mitigation, reading M’s last post... he is including furlough mitigation. Furlough mitigation can probably save 200-250... there is a lot of ambiguity in that section too. It is a reason we are not closer to 500 furloughs.
M, Bronze level? But what is more likely, that or another round of consolidation?
M, Bronze level? But what is more likely, that or another round of consolidation?
03-31-2020, 03:47 PM
#105
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Posts: 40
Originally Posted by THE SHAFT
Boys and girls please please please no negotiating / mentioning what you will settle for. Management in their best of times will data mine just imagine what they will do in their worst of times. Again we are not an ATM for the company, if you want to have a debate have one with your rep. I too have said dumb things in haste on this board, guilty as charged but we will need unity to get through this with the least amount of damage.
Cheers - Rob.
03-31-2020, 04:30 PM
#106
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Data mining the garbage being spewed here?
I guess if they wanted a wholly inaccurate picture of things to come. OK.
I doubt any pilots didn’t get the big fat message that it’s time to save money and not buy a new Corvette, NB kicks or jean shorts.
Sure save your money. Bad times ahead. But how bad? No one knows.
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I guess if they wanted a wholly inaccurate picture of things to come. OK.
I doubt any pilots didn’t get the big fat message that it’s time to save money and not buy a new Corvette, NB kicks or jean shorts.
Sure save your money. Bad times ahead. But how bad? No one knows.
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03-31-2020, 04:56 PM
#107
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Originally Posted by AK22
We have around 3050 on the list, a 15% reduction would be 458 furloughed. Assuming everything is linear. Reducing avg. guarantee 75 to 65 (in accordance with sec 23) is a 13.3% reduction. So the 385 number you mentioned doesn’t really look like much mitigation. Previous manpower assumptions seem to have everyone maxed out all the time, above guarantee, premium, flex-up months, FAR limits. So to me it looks like there’s a lot of slop to go from that down to 65 hours. Just a question of “Do the right thing” and come a mutual agreement.
03-31-2020, 06:38 PM
#109
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Pay cuts and/or concessions are a no-go for this pilot group. They can ask but the answer will be a big fat NO. It’s the oldest play in the book - pay cut used as furlough mitigation. No airline in the history has ever been saved through labor offering up pay cuts and concessions. Period. Don’t be a fool by negotiating on public forums.
03-31-2020, 06:44 PM
#110
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
Wow. An astounding number taking 0 paid leave. Honestly surprised!
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