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03-28-2020, 10:56 AM
#51
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If you include the May 1st canceled bid it’s about 20 more in either bracket. So 380 to 350, all of which would be downgraded 10/1/20 on current modeling. Company run number was exactly 387.
30 A320 gone for certain... that’s 180 A320 Captain positions... I guess we will see where the chips fall from there. Looks like a well played hand by the company, while still complying with the rules of the federal aid package.
30 A320 gone for certain... that’s 180 A320 Captain positions... I guess we will see where the chips fall from there. Looks like a well played hand by the company, while still complying with the rules of the federal aid package.
03-28-2020, 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by OTZeagle1
Company wants to use this time to train. They don’t want pilots just sitting around for 6 months. Heard single fleet this year maybe early 2021... I don’t know if that is really possible though.
Furlough line is April 2018
downgrade 1250-1300
At that line the Left seat 320 to 737 will be virtually nonexistent.
Furlough line is April 2018
downgrade 1250-1300
At that line the Left seat 320 to 737 will be virtually nonexistent.
03-28-2020, 11:17 AM
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I think it will all be fine. Things change quick when this many minds are working toward a problem (covid), and I don’t think the economy will support being shut down forever, or even into summer.
This is a doomsday model that OTZ is throwing around and pretty far out that I think it’s inaccurate and changing frequently. All he’s doing is making people afraid when the information is just speculation.
This is a doomsday model that OTZ is throwing around and pretty far out that I think it’s inaccurate and changing frequently. All he’s doing is making people afraid when the information is just speculation.
03-28-2020, 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by flysnoopy76
With a fleet count of 180 and no appetite from management for early outs the furlough line will be far deeper then April 2018, your looking at at least 1000+ furloughs in the 180 aircraft scenario, we haven’t hired close to that since April 18.
Company model is for 207 aircraft. Add the furlough rules, and some fat for single fleet and the Max aircraft adds over the next 12 mos and you are there.
April 2018
03-28-2020, 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by ImperialxRat
I think it will all be fine. Things change quick when this many minds are working toward a problem (covid), and I don’t think the economy will support being shut down forever, or even into summer.
This is a doomsday model that OTZ is throwing around and pretty far out that I think it’s inaccurate and changing frequently. All he’s doing is making people afraid when the information is just speculation.
This is a doomsday model that OTZ is throwing around and pretty far out that I think it’s inaccurate and changing frequently. All he’s doing is making people afraid when the information is just speculation.
the modeling this fall is 207 aircraft with 62% load factors
03-28-2020, 11:34 AM
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Question for Boeing drivers. How long is the upgrade training from Boeing FO to Boeing CA?
Bus Captain here, if I'm downgraded I'm either Airbus FO or Boeing FO. Would it better to go Boeing FO now and then way later whenever the upgrade opportunity comes, taking Boeing CA? Or downgrade to Airbus FO (which I think is 3 sims and a PC) and then stick it out until able to hold Boeing CA and just go through one big training cycle once?
Bus Captain here, if I'm downgraded I'm either Airbus FO or Boeing FO. Would it better to go Boeing FO now and then way later whenever the upgrade opportunity comes, taking Boeing CA? Or downgrade to Airbus FO (which I think is 3 sims and a PC) and then stick it out until able to hold Boeing CA and just go through one big training cycle once?
03-28-2020, 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
Question for Boeing drivers. How long is the upgrade training from Boeing FO to Boeing CA?
Bus Captain here, if I'm downgraded I'm either Airbus FO or Boeing FO. Would it better to go Boeing FO now and then way later whenever the upgrade opportunity comes, taking Boeing CA? Or downgrade to Airbus FO (which I think is 3 sims and a PC) and then stick it out until able to hold Boeing CA and just go through one big training cycle once?
Bus Captain here, if I'm downgraded I'm either Airbus FO or Boeing FO. Would it better to go Boeing FO now and then way later whenever the upgrade opportunity comes, taking Boeing CA? Or downgrade to Airbus FO (which I think is 3 sims and a PC) and then stick it out until able to hold Boeing CA and just go through one big training cycle once?
Honestly, I can't answer your other question. Of course, all of that depends on what you want your QOL to be like. Would it be better on the Airbus or the Boeing?
03-28-2020, 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by ForeverJunior
Five weeks from first day of ground school and getting signed off of OE. It is very quick.
Honestly, I can't answer your other question. Of course, all of that depends on what you want your QOL to be like. Would it be better on the Airbus or the Boeing?
Honestly, I can't answer your other question. Of course, all of that depends on what you want your QOL to be like. Would it be better on the Airbus or the Boeing?
03-28-2020, 11:53 AM
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5 weeks sounds like a lot, but I guess that matches even Airbus FO to Bus CA timeline.
I think the "least" amount of training time away from home would be to just downgrade to the Airbus, and then when it comes time to upgrade again, take it on the Boeing and make one 3 month training event. As opposed to 3 month type rating now and then another 5 week upgrade cycle down the road.
I think the "least" amount of training time away from home would be to just downgrade to the Airbus, and then when it comes time to upgrade again, take it on the Boeing and make one 3 month training event. As opposed to 3 month type rating now and then another 5 week upgrade cycle down the road.
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