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Originally Posted by rickair7777
(Post 3059138)
Anything between 30-50% reduction for summer 2021 is also chapter 11 territory. More than 50%... no bueno.
This is not true. Although none of the big 3 could pull this off, ALK, JetBlue, LUV all could. Alaska actually has a plan if things get significantly worse to do just that. At current or slightly better revenue trends Alaska could furlough 40-45% of its company and idle for a very longtime. Making a little or nothing, waiting out the storm, plenty of cash to sustain, flying 30% of the fleet. I am confident it will not come to this though. |
Originally Posted by OTZeagle1
(Post 3059831)
Although I appreciate any good news, this is horse S. When compared to Alaska’s and the industries modeling, we are only consistently missing markers to this point, trending bellow those low expectations. In my mind it’s the same as putting out a pod cast saying, “company only sees this as short term” and “there has been no mention of furloughs”, when every union leader has been briefed by both their and company experts, that this industry will be 20-25% smaller in 2021, when compared to 2019. Do you really think WB would have sold his entire stake at or near the bottom if this was going to recover quickly? You don’t think with him owning 10% of the entire industry, he wouldn’t have had some industry experts, like really goods ones, pouring over the numbers. You don’t think Boeing, Airbus, DAL, SWA, UAL CEO’s would have said 3-5 years if it were not the expected outcome? Pilots are not children, they can handle the truth, whether we want it to be true or not. The recent green shoots in our industry represent the possibility of solvency, not the possibility that we and others don’t shrink significantly.
In regards to how I see the forecasts for the future of the industry, I see lots of coulds, mights, ifs, and maybes. Just like hurricanes forecasts, we have a general picture of what’s ahead yet, the final most accurate predictions don’t become relatively accurate until right before the storm hits. To use your own words from a previous post, “This is different and changes daily”. The way I see it, due to the lack of previous data and the constantly changing landscape, we have to let this play out and wait for the economy to fully open, (while waiting for a possible second wave of infections), to truly assess and more accurately predict the upcoming damages but, and call me naive, these little unexpected trends give me some hope for a better and less damaging outcome. Again, the articles backfire on me and it is all my fault. When it comes to the airline industry I have learned not to deal in absolutes. Experts have been wrong in the past and early predictions usually change for better or worse as time goes on. Only time will tell. On a personal note, when it comes to the airlines you mentioned and their predictions, I remain skeptical of those negotiating contracts pre-Covid and the CEOs that made millions on stock buy backs. At this point, as I previously stated, I am hoping for the best while preparing for the worst. Shyguy I agree we will have a second wave of infections here in the US but I don’t know if another shutdown will happen under our political climate. I believe the current administration will keep the economy open regardless and we’ll just power through. |
To better days... cheers
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Originally Posted by OTZeagle1
(Post 3060123)
To better days... cheers
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Originally Posted by LimaGolfMike
(Post 3060091)
Shyguy I agree we will have a second wave of infections here in the US but I don’t know if another shutdown will happen under our political climate. I believe the current administration will keep the economy open regardless and we’ll just power through.
New strategy is simply "Harm Reduction" whereby we open up the country, while at the same time observe best practices to minimize the likelihood of infection as we are out n about. |
Originally Posted by ShyGuy
(Post 3059875)
There's only two ways out of this, either we get an effective vaccine or herd immunity. A possible third way might be this just goes away on its own like some of the less-serious viruses in the past.
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Remdesivir has been clinically proven as an effective treatment by NIH, but that gets very little attention these days....
Also the NYU study a few weeks ago found the hydroxychloriquine/zinc/azithromycin cocktail showed efficacy in preventing hospitalized patients from going to ICU. That one needs more study (NIH actually started one last week), but it verifies a treatment protocol used around the country for over two months now with “anecdotal” positive results. |
Originally Posted by OTZeagle1
(Post 3059762)
Yes, I think they will. I think late Thursday if everyone plays nice.
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Originally Posted by OTZeagle1
(Post 3060123)
To better days... cheers
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Originally Posted by ws6formula
(Post 3062628)
Your 385 number sounds like a reasonable estimate, how do you see that divided up between the bases?
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