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ELAC321 05-26-2020 02:39 PM


Originally Posted by NewGuy01 (Post 3064534)
Ok so here’s where I own up to not knowing a whole lot about the 121 business:

How do these numbers affect my seniority during a furlough? Say I’m 2800 on the list and all of those 163 people were senior to me. How would that affect my overall seniority in the event of a furlough if they say cut back 10% or 15 percent of the pilots?


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You should be asking the union not OTZ. That being said it's pretty simple to understand a reduction bid. If you don't have the seniority to hold on to a position you will be furloughed. Management, LTD etc doesn't matter other than the fact of the company planning on how many they need to cover flying.

miker1 05-26-2020 02:47 PM


Originally Posted by NewGuy01 (Post 3064495)
Oof. This is not good.


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What info can be taken from this?

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Arctichicken 05-26-2020 02:49 PM

Next step, bid cancels and furlough notices go out. Seen this movie before.

The Dude Abides 05-26-2020 02:51 PM


Originally Posted by miker1 (Post 3064549)
What info can be taken from this?

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That the next position bid is going to have fewer than the 3,096 positions this bid had.

ShyGuy 05-26-2020 02:55 PM

How would this work out? Say if they want to furlough 400. Does that mean advertise a 200 CA reduction, 200 FO reduction, and 0 vacancy? Since downgraded CAs have to get a FO spot, is that how it would go?

NewGuy01 05-26-2020 02:57 PM


Originally Posted by ELAC321 (Post 3064539)
You should be asking the union not OTZ. That being said it's pretty simple to understand a reduction bid. If you don't have the seniority to hold on to a position you will be furloughed. Management, LTD etc doesn't matter other than the fact of the company planning on how many they need to cover flying.

OTZ is the only one who has access to these "special" numbers. I haven't seen them anywhere else. So that's why I asked him.

ELAC321 05-26-2020 03:13 PM


Originally Posted by NewGuy01 (Post 3064558)
OTZ is the only one who has access to these "special" numbers. I haven't seen them anywhere else. So that's why I asked him.

Um it's not special. Everybody has access to number of management pilots. It's listed right on the seniority list. Retirements are also pretty easy to figure out.

ExperimentalAB 05-26-2020 03:14 PM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 3064554)
How would this work out? Say if they want to furlough 400. Does that mean advertise a 200 CA reduction, 200 FO reduction, and 0 vacancy? Since downgraded CAs have to get a FO spot, is that how it would go?

A furlough of 400 would mean an additional, roughly 200 downgrades (200 fewer in each seat).

flysnoopy76 05-26-2020 03:20 PM

Why even bother to publish the results of this bid. Might as well have just had JL send out an email saying it was canceled and that the reduction/furlough bid would be published in the coming weeks instead.

AK22 05-26-2020 03:30 PM


Originally Posted by NewGuy01 (Post 3064534)
Ok so here’s where I own up to not knowing a whole lot about the 121 business:

How do these numbers affect my seniority during a furlough? Say I’m 2800 on the list and all of those 163 people were senior to me. How would that affect my overall seniority in the event of a furlough if they say cut back 10% or 15 percent of the pilots?


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1.The 69 retirements will help defer downgrades or furloughs, Mgmt and leaves of various kinds don’t matter too much, they carry those all the time.

2. Looks like this bid didn’t work out how they wanted, I’m not sure why.


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