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AK22 05-27-2020 06:15 AM


Originally Posted by OTZeagle1 (Post 3064823)
I think PBS will be voted in by late Q4 to early Q1, hope I am wrong, but I think it’s coming. I was told single fleet savings would be actually 5 percent. Closing one base helps attain that 5 percent, 2 bases are possible. I would not be surprised to see a new contract signed in the next 12 mouths that removes a lot of the furlough protections, I think company will get premium back, hope I am wrong. This is a high stakes poker match, nothing will surprise me. Company is sitting on 770 million in chips and the union a whopping 50k. The only thing we have figured out to do to this point is slow the hands down. We just keep getting up and walking away from the table, hoping something will change. Hasn’t worked yet, but we haven’t let that detour us.

😂.....YGFSM! I’ve seen people scoff your numbers, which are allegedly from Mgmt...who knows. But now you know how a vote will go for us too...🤣

9mikemike 05-27-2020 06:52 AM

OTZ, Bro.....No drinking and posting......It does not become you

flysnoopy76 05-27-2020 07:28 AM


Originally Posted by OTZeagle1 (Post 3064792)
692 total lines.... he multiplied by two for CA/FO

I have heard multiple times by people that should know, that we need about 1600 pilots to fly the 2020 fall schedule. The Good news is we need 2385 to fly the summer 2021 schedule... Well it’s definitely not good but way better then 1600.

So 2385 for summer of 21 that would roughly double your initial estimate of 385 and we should also subtract another 11% for single fleet, and your prediction we will vote in PBS and allow premium flying?

airb320 05-27-2020 08:00 AM

Just to keep the premise of ridiculous and unfounded predictions,

I predict that the reason they cancel it is because demand is picking up quicker than previously anticipated and they don’t want Pilots stuck in training during the Summer months and having to cancel newly reinstated flights...

Time will tell.

ELAC321 05-27-2020 08:10 AM

Wish the union would address this. Saying they will probably cancel the bid left more questions than answers. Although I'm guessing they're in the dark as much as we are? Union seemed fairly certain the bid would stand. As did OTZ:confused: possibly the only thing they agreed on.

NewGuy01 05-27-2020 08:14 AM


Originally Posted by ELAC321 (Post 3064981)
Wish the union would address this. Saying they will probably cancel the bid left more questions than answers. Although I'm guessing they're in the dark as much as we are? Union seemed fairly certain the bid would stand. As did OTZ:confused: possibly the only thing they agreed on.


The P2P person I reached out to said one major issue is that the union is left in the dark as much as we all are. The maybe get notice an hour or so before the pilot group. It’s not enough time to generate a response.


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AnchorDown 05-27-2020 08:30 AM


Originally Posted by airb320 (Post 3064972)
Just to keep the premise of ridiculous and unfounded predictions,

I predict that the reason they cancel it is because demand is picking up quicker than previously anticipated and they don’t want Pilots stuck in training during the Summer months and having to cancel newly reinstated flights...

Time will tell.

Dam, THANK YOU FOR POSTING THIS! I thought I was the only one thinking it! ;-). Where is the dam like button!!!???

flysnoopy76 05-27-2020 08:33 AM


Originally Posted by airb320 (Post 3064972)
Just to keep the premise of ridiculous and unfounded predictions,

I predict that the reason they cancel it is because demand is picking up quicker than previously anticipated and they don’t want Pilots stuck in training during the Summer months and having to cancel newly reinstated flights...

Time will tell.

But I thought OTZ said that we were missing all the marks for increased bookings and things were really dark.

OTZeagle1 05-27-2020 08:39 AM


Originally Posted by OTZeagle1 (Post 3057621)
2385 needed

+ 8% furlough mitigation

=2575

+90 MGMT/MED

+50 RET/LOA/MIL

=2715 needed Summer 2021

Bid will stand

29th Company/Union publicly admit surplus

Junior CA low 1500’s depending on what people do.

2385 has not changed... nor has the math

OTZeagle1 05-27-2020 08:46 AM


Originally Posted by flysnoopy76 (Post 3064940)
So 2385 for summer of 21 that would roughly double your initial estimate of 385 and we should also subtract another 11% for single fleet, and your prediction we will vote in PBS and allow premium flying?

Still think around 400.... 385. I think the other two things will happen. They save the company a bunch of money but the results of both are detrimental to pilot headcount as things improve in the future. This would keep pilots out, out longer.


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