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NewGuy01 05-26-2020 10:14 PM


Originally Posted by 9mikemike (Post 3064800)
Historically, we have had about 3 pilots per bid block on the BPL’s.... Nov 2020 should require no less then 2000 and no more than 2200 pilots on the BPL’s....Go with 2100, from the 3096 total cut 200 for LTD, Mngmnt etc....Gives you 2896..Maybe 50 retirements and it goes to 2846....Subtract the 2100 and 746 is the starting number before Mil Leave and Veloa’ greater than 6 months kicks in. Maybe 70 of those...Puts you at 676....Furlough mitigation in the form of reduced bid block/reduced reserve block knocks off another 30 maybe....646 is your number


Except they plan for Summer 2021 not November 2020....

So again, we don’t know.


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9mikemike 05-26-2020 10:19 PM

If a fleet decision has been made which will be the 2 step draw-down of the Airbus then expect a large Airbus reduction bid with no additions effective 10/01/2020. It will leave about 220 Airbus pilots total...To operate the 18 jets that are flying

OTZeagle1 05-26-2020 10:25 PM

817 bid blocks for summer ‘21
Single fleet saves company apx 5% in # of pilots needed
PBS Saves the company apx 6% in # of pilots needed

That 11 percent is a huge deal and will most likely keep people out longer, 2023

9mikemike 05-26-2020 10:26 PM


Originally Posted by NewGuy01 (Post 3064801)
Except they plan for Summer 2021 not November 2020....

So again, we don’t know.


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You are 100% correct......This is just methodology from the last furlough. We went to a single fleet then and it looked similar.
They send out a big stack of notices with expected return dates and then meter the furloughs to their liking

NewGuy01 05-26-2020 10:28 PM


Originally Posted by 9mikemike (Post 3064807)
You are 100% correct......This is just methodology from the last furlough. We went to a single fleet then and it looked similar.
They send out a big stack of notices with expected return dates and then meter the furloughs to their liking


Thanks. That’s what a lot of us who were not around for the last furlough were wondering. How it worked last time...


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Yogipilot 05-26-2020 10:55 PM

Lots of doom and gloom, the truth is we all need to breath and wait for what the end of june looks like if we are back to 1mil people a day in TSA numbers we maybe well be back to 80%-85% by new year. Nobody knows and people are feeding the worst case scenario here and it’s legit but there is as good of an argument that thinks start looking up. Plan for worst hope for best but the reality is this models being put out here are as accurate now as covid models so yes the union really can’t give an answer nor can your stockbroker or fortune teller hang in there

9mikemike 05-26-2020 10:59 PM


Originally Posted by OTZeagle1 (Post 3064806)
817 bid blocks for summer ‘21
Single fleet saves company apx 5% in # of pilots needed
PBS Saves the company apx 6% in # of pilots needed

That 11 percent is a huge deal and will most likely keep people out longer, 2023

Except there will be no PBS but you already knew that.....And single fleet efficiency as a percentage of whole for the Airbus is only 3% and you already knew that. Fortunately we will have no super stars flying vsa/premium which will be a large offset and both prevent furloughs to begin with, shorten the length of furloughs individually and bring back all furloughs as a group sooner...Last time around I believe the longest involuntary furloughs ran 1100 days...plus or minus

NewGuy01 05-26-2020 11:00 PM


Originally Posted by OTZeagle1 (Post 3064806)
817 bid blocks for summer ‘21
Single fleet saves company apx 5% in # of pilots needed
PBS Saves the company apx 6% in # of pilots needed

That 11 percent is a huge deal and will most likely keep people out longer, 2023

So now there won't be A321's?

9mikemike 05-26-2020 11:08 PM


Originally Posted by NewGuy01 (Post 3064813)
So now there won't be A321's?

We shall see. This bid is due to cancel and the next one will come out right after it does.....I think the training churn created by this current bid probably drove them towards a single fleet.....They absolutely despise having to pay to train pilots...They only want to train you once.....

OTZeagle1 05-27-2020 12:59 AM


Originally Posted by 9mikemike (Post 3064812)
Except there will be no PBS but you already knew that.....And single fleet efficiency as a percentage of whole for the Airbus is only 3% and you already knew that. Fortunately we will have no super stars flying vsa/premium which will be a large offset and both prevent furloughs to begin with, shorten the length of furloughs individually and bring back all furloughs as a group sooner...Last time around I believe the longest involuntary furloughs ran 1100 days...plus or minus

I think PBS will be voted in by late Q4 to early Q1, hope I am wrong, but I think it’s coming. I was told single fleet savings would be actually 5 percent. Closing one base helps attain that 5 percent, 2 bases are possible. I would not be surprised to see a new contract signed in the next 12 mouths that removes a lot of the furlough protections, I think company will get premium back, hope I am wrong. This is a high stakes poker match, nothing will surprise me. Company is sitting on 770 million in chips and the union a whopping 50k. The only thing we have figured out to do to this point is slow the hands down. We just keep getting up and walking away from the table, hoping something will change. Hasn’t worked yet, but we haven’t let that detour us.


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