Union Dues
06-06-2020 | 03:02 PM
#391
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I am sorry you are incapable of understanding the breadth of the catastrophe our industry faces right now. In no way are we proud to put out two bids, and subsequently cancel them. We would much prefer putting out bids filled with upgrades and growth. In your 12 years with the company we have never faced a crises as destructive, as dynamic, as this one. Our industry changed overnight, ferocious economic corrosion that will take years to recover from. Our path is not complex, we are determined to save this company. It’s hard for me to believe you can’t understand while recklessly burning through liquidity, we are quickly destroying our future. Continually adding debt, while continually losing money, is a business model that is unacceptable at any publicly held company. That path would soon result in bankruptcy and the loss of every employees job. You have been continually advised of our situation and our intentions. Our goal is simple, stabilize this company, and as economics change, be ready to take advantage. These opportunities, will not present themselves overnight, but will at sometime in our future, and we will be ready. At this point, we must reduce our costs, as quickly as we can. This must be done in the most economical way possible. We have now found that path, and we will forge through the tough road ahead, hopeful that blue skies will present themselves, once again in our future.
06-06-2020 | 03:03 PM
#392
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Joined: Apr 2015
Posts: 114
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From: a cushy one with a forward facing window
So I hope everyone this morning finally realizes my frustration. Yes, c-19 has caused chaos in flight ops, but how long will the union burry its head in the sand? Are you guys certifiably crazy? How many times must you be told? Protect your most vulnerable, don’t lie to them tell there is no time left. Union sits down with management, no joke, management says we are 20% fat on pilots, union honestly doesn’t hesitate, looks them in the eyes and says “it’s because you need to add a significant number more Captain positions, especially in California, we told you that.” You guys ask me, “Did you give your information to the union? Yes, me management, probably countless others. Are you kidding me, how can you help when you are living in some alternative reality?
06-06-2020 | 03:14 PM
#393
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Joined: May 2018
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got wisper that in your buddy Brads ear. You are not the majority any more. Your spouts on a contract passing isn’t even close. Maybe you should forget the past and retire 😲 oh wait you are later this year. Tell Brad and Ben yours and Mea’s shenanigans won’t work this time. How you think you can say what the pilot group will do really shows your ignorance. Go away just go away and take your boot lickers with you. You are a disgrace to the pilot profession.
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06-06-2020 | 03:41 PM
#394
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Joined: Feb 2011
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From: Precarious
I am sorry you are incapable of understanding the breadth of the catastrophe our industry faces right now. In no way are we proud to put out two bids, and subsequently cancel them. We would much prefer putting out bids filled with upgrades and growth. In your 12 years with the company we have never faced a crises as destructive, as dynamic, as this one. Our industry changed overnight, ferocious economic corrosion that will take years to recover from. Our path is not complex, we are determined to save this company. It’s hard for me to believe you can’t understand while recklessly burning through liquidity, we are quickly destroying our future. Continually adding debt, while continually losing money, is a business model that is unacceptable at any publicly held company. That path would soon result in bankruptcy and the loss of every employees job. You have been continually advised of our situation and our intentions. Our goal is simple, stabilize this company, and as economics change, be ready to take advantage. These opportunities, will not present themselves overnight, but will at sometime in our future, and we will be ready. At this point, we must reduce our costs, as quickly as we can. This must be done in the most economical way possible. We have now found that path, and we will forge through the tough road ahead, hopeful that blue skies will present themselves, once again in our future.
06-06-2020 | 05:43 PM
#397
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Joined: Jul 2006
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From: Soon to be Ex Dash-Trash
06-06-2020 | 06:59 PM
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From: This side of the dirt.
OTZ.... don’t know the reps at SFO, but know the SEA and LAX reps pretty well, and MEC, and I can promise you, your intel might be decent on the management side, but not on the Union side. There has been amazing unanimity at our leadership level on direction/goals/communication. And as far as poisoning the well, I don’t think you can pin that on SFO/LAX LEC’s either. The JCBA was supposed to have slope negotiation well prior to Sec 6.... company said we’ll see you at the amendable date. Fail. Then management unceremoniously fired one of the most widely respected pilots period from his BCP position in SEA... Fail. The 1500 + emails JL received condemning this decision.... those didn’t come from 800 angry VXrs. Then there was the negotiated HIMS program that at every other major is in the contract, which the company agreed to then changed to only reside in the FOM so they could manipulate as they saw fit. Then the management pushback on contractual obligations like dropping a pairing for an annual physical, harassment over sick time (man that changed overnight didn’t it!) and military duty. Add in the threatening letter to pilots regarding the uniform..... I mean, seriously.... with all due respect, I know life on the boat is good but, brother, if you wanna pin all that plus a RECORD participation in the contract survey 85% on 800 angry former Virgin pilots that are now Alaska pilots... I don’t know what to tell ya.... The market dynamics of negotiation have obviously changed, but, this is may be one of the most unified pilot groups and well oiled leadership teams I’ve ever seen.
That doesnt mean your numbers are wrong about what the company is looking at for staffing models.... but I think your characterization of the Union is WAY off the mark. And I have plenty of friends on both sides and am an LAS hire... not a VX hire.
That being said, always up for someone else buying the first round.... of whatever. 🥃🥃👍🏻
That doesnt mean your numbers are wrong about what the company is looking at for staffing models.... but I think your characterization of the Union is WAY off the mark. And I have plenty of friends on both sides and am an LAS hire... not a VX hire.
That being said, always up for someone else buying the first round.... of whatever. 🥃🥃👍🏻
06-07-2020 | 12:06 AM
#400
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Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 321
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From: Upright & Breathing
I am sorry you are incapable of understanding the breadth of the catastrophe our industry faces right now. In no way are we proud to put out two bids, and subsequently cancel them. We would much prefer putting out bids filled with upgrades and growth. In your 12 years with the company we have never faced a crises as destructive, as dynamic, as this one. Our industry changed overnight, ferocious economic corrosion that will take years to recover from. Our path is not complex, we are determined to save this company. It’s hard for me to believe you can’t understand while recklessly burning through liquidity, we are quickly destroying our future. Continually adding debt, while continually losing money, is a business model that is unacceptable at any publicly held company. That path would soon result in bankruptcy and the loss of every employees job. You have been continually advised of our situation and our intentions. Our goal is simple, stabilize this company, and as economics change, be ready to take advantage. These opportunities, will not present themselves overnight, but will at sometime in our future, and we will be ready. At this point, we must reduce our costs, as quickly as we can. This must be done in the most economical way possible. We have now found that path, and we will forge through the tough road ahead, hopeful that blue skies will present themselves, once again in our future.
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