pipewrench

Im going to take a guess that most of you who are making the issue Union Vs. Management are missing the bigger picture. You probably are more concerned how your schedule will be affected. People in my position are seriously concerned about paying mortgages, medical and living expenses. There has been "0" information about furlough numbers from both union and management. The only credible numbers have been from 2 sources! I don't think I am the only person that is thinking about looking for another job at this point. A heads up would be "Doing the right thing"

pipewrench

I wasn't responding to you Moose. I agree with what you are saying

ZINTKAZ

Wow. Way to throw everybody in a single trash bin. Remember YOU work for another company now (of course everybody knows that due to “vocal disgust”) and not everybody has bent over for Vecci, Kelly, Ayer or Tilden. Welcome to the fight that many of us with “zero awareness” have been battling for decades. So tell me, was VX a symbiotic utopia between management and pilots? Because many of the former VX guys/gals I’ve had the pleasure of working with say differently. Every company has good and bad aspects. I for one am kinda glad you all are here to increase the visibility of our disdain of work rules to management.

You guys are spun up way to tight over this OTZ/MEA guy. Maybe some of his stuff was close to the mark, so what. Lots of other crap wasn’t and besides this is a public forum that anyone can blast their so called rhetoric (Hint: IGNORE). Once again a Alaska Air thread has see sawed to a you suck/ no you suck fest. Guess we all suck now......till we get what we want and that won’t happen tomorrow. If the managers at Angle Lake are so stupid and clueless why do they keep winning the fight? In the nearly two decades I’ve been here this MEC is the first that I have any faith in changing things. After all the union is our voice and in the past it sucked.

OTZeagle1

Wrong, wrong, wrong, if you are in the bottom 25% to 15% you are fine... you will not be furloughed. You may move equipment or bases but you will have a job. Bottom 15-12.5 %, probably be ok, but be smart, be ready, do what you can. Bottom 12.5%, seek shelter, pound on doors, actively search for any descent job, sure up your finances. Company is not getting to cash burn 0, with an extra 1000 pilots this fall and they are not holding an extra 400 they don’t need over the summer. Winter is coming 400+- 50... 385, the union has lost its mind, the company is in charge of the purse, not the union.

People want to know these numbers, They deserve to know them, people want transparency. Hiding them, living in the land of make believe does nothing for anyone. In fact, it is recklessness, incompetence, and morally wrong!

OTZeagle1

This will all be very embarrassing for the Union come September. They have no real control, the company has almost all control. Look at the language, the only thing the company has to do is offer leaves. Everything else is optional, looked at, mutually agreed upon, and lets be honest, only going to happen if it is a significant benefit to the company. Thanks to the “Angry8”, LAX LEC and SFO LEC, we have a caustic relationship with management, they at this point seem pointed and eager to exact revenge. Thanks guys you really showed them who was boss and successfully destroyed any and all goodwill. That goes for you too, Mr. double Chubb... You are a prat and a moron!

The Dude Abides

I’m junior enough that I’m fairly certain I will be furloughed as well, so I understand your anxiety.
The company needs to give at least 30 days notification before you’re furloughed, it’ll be a certified letter in the mail. I wouldn’t be surprised if those of us furloughed will get at least 60 days heads up, I was furloughed 10 years ago and pretty sure that letter was just over 60 days prior to the furlough effective date.

If you have a lucrative opportunity for employment I would reach out to your chief pilot, you could probably work out some sort of leave to take the job. If not, it makes more sense to keep collecting min guarantee for as long as possible. A lot of us (myself included) don’t have another skill to fall back on so any job opportunity is likely to be a pretty big hit financially.

OTZeagle1

Can hardly wait for the podcast boys, “we still don’t know what we don’t know,” “company has yet to formally mention furlough,” “Every indication is this will be a short term event.” You should all be ashamed of your incompetence. Every last one should resign if you had any integrity, you have all lost all credibility. You have known 20% for more then 75 days! Shame on all of you!

fucius

Um, that was dark. My parents used to say, “It’s not only what you say...it’s how you say it...”


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crjav8er

Just trying to explain the Angry 800, the few that had been fighting the good fight like you unfortunately were a significant minority.

VX was a disaster towards the end, run by complete ego maniacs. We were gonna burn that place to the ground anyway. Then we got the chance to see how Angle Lake mgmt is 100% worse in arrogance and egos.

Far too many AS pilots don’t even know the damn contract, and I have heard way too many times that “management says we don’t need scope so I believe them.” Then they defend section 25 which is by far the worst scheduling section in the industry. On top of that we are gonna furlough and QX and Skywest are gonna be flying “our recovery.” That is why we are so damn angry.

noodle

If the union has "known" why can't the company decide on a bid? Seems like no one "knows" for certain. Could the union come out and say the bottom 20% should plan on a furlough? I suppose, but then it sounds like an educated guess without actually "knowing". I don't blame the union at all. It's not like they are withholding a formal pilot reduction notification from the pilots. Am I missing something?