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9mikemike 06-10-2020 05:35 PM

Last time we furloughed,11% of the pilots got a furlough notice. 2008-2012.....So this time we are only furloughing 12.5%. Seems like we are doing ok this time around given the dramatic decline in business as compared to 2008....What says you Kotzy boy.....Seems like working within the confines of our CBA is the way to go...No need to change the rules when it is simple enough to follow them.

HGWT 06-10-2020 05:38 PM


Originally Posted by NewGuy01 (Post 3073434)
Dude. Why don’t you tell us? And then tell us how it’s all LVX’s fault. And then tell us how hosed we are gonna be. And how stupid we are.

Tell us OTZ/MEA


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airb320 06-10-2020 06:29 PM


Originally Posted by OTZeagle1 (Post 3073425)
uhm, so news media is reporting on our SLI, closing of our JFK, and our position bids... Ok got it, I forgot that was all covered in a 10k. Get real, 20, 120, 400, August 31st, 20%,12.5%... yeah I found it all. How about you try and everyone can judge... so what are the exact numbers of the new position bid?

Hahaha, even simple comprehension eludes you...
go enjoy your millions🤣

PokerPilot007 06-10-2020 06:46 PM

OTZ is the guy on a red-eye who has the star app on his phone and thinks it’s so cool to point out every F£*$ing star for 6 hours and won’t shut up until you look at them 🤬

Outdoors 06-10-2020 07:23 PM


Originally Posted by pipewrench (Post 3073492)
Wow that's really clever. Maybe you and New Guy could join JL and wash my feet.

On a serious note, what's going on with the Max?

the max are still sitting at Boeing field just like mea/otz are sitting in the parking lot for premium to be turned on again.

All Bizniz 06-10-2020 07:34 PM


Originally Posted by OTZeagle1 (Post 3073331)
I am one of the most pro-pilot individuals on this website. I just am not stupid, I don’t believe in DAL plus 20% and all the other stupid crap. I believe industry standard wages, that result from the underlying economics. I know what is realistic and I know what is not. I hate the caustic behaviors of the Angry8. (really this group consist of about 60% of the 580 or so VXrs... so 350ish) This group gets all the reasonable protesters at AS fired up with lies and half truths. They push the throwing bricks and molotov Cocktails, to the total demise of the group as a whole. There is no vengeance from the company, just no favors either. 385, will soon get there 18-36mos off and there will be no guilt on the management side. We after all made our bed and now we get to sleep in it.

Maybe the "reasonable protesters" as you call it is exactly what AS management has preferred and taken for granted over the years, because while L-AS pilots fought the fight and did push for change, their "reasonableness" have always allowed management to get the better of them?

Could it be that with the "Angry 8" in the picture, management's usual gains at the pilots' expense have been harder to come by, hence the effort to demonize L-VXrs and pit them against their L-AS brothers in an effort to weaken the extraordinary unity that have been building between the two?

OTZ, could you articulate for us some of the lies and half truths that the "Angry 8" have been pushing so that we can be informed, as I honestly was not aware of this deception.

ShyGuy 06-10-2020 10:56 PM

I'm buying this on Ebay to practice for my downgrade


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OTZeagle1 06-11-2020 12:03 PM


Originally Posted by All Bizniz (Post 3073500)
Maybe the "reasonable protesters" as you call it is exactly what AS management has preferred and taken for granted over the years, because while L-AS pilots fought the fight and did push for change, their "reasonableness" have always allowed management to get the better of them?

Could it be that with the "Angry 8" in the picture, management's usual gains at the pilots' expense have been harder to come by, hence the effort to demonize L-VXrs and pit them against their L-AS brothers in an effort to weaken the extraordinary unity that have been building between the two?

OTZ, could you articulate for us some of the lies and half truths that the "Angry 8" have been pushing so that we can be informed, as I honestly was not aware of this deception.

I will bite:
“Alaska pilots are the lowest paid in the industry”
“AS management is purposefully running Airbus maintenance into the dirt to justify getting rid of it”
”All other NB pilots get an average of 4 days more a month off then AS”
”We have more EJets flying for us then any other airline”
”Because we have no scope, QX is going to fly NB aircraft soon”
pre covid: “We are Loosing 2 million a day”
”Alaska is the worst managed airline in the US and we are about to go bankrupt”
”Alaska is going to furlough while all the other airlines are running new hire classes because our management is so stupid”
”Everyone is leaving AS because we are the worst airline”
”Alaska is not able to fill new hire classes, people just no show”
“No one wants to talk to AS at job fairs because it is the worst job in the industry”

I could go on and on... it’s one giant VX tantrum and broken record... all lies, exaggerations, and half truths.

OTZeagle1 06-11-2020 01:16 PM


Originally Posted by airb320 (Post 3073471)
Hahaha, even simple comprehension eludes you...
go enjoy your millions🤣

Really you don’t want to play? I thought it was easy... Quick go read the 8k... it’s in there.

Well today wasn’t such a good day, I should honestly spend more 💵 and enjoy... I am not getting any younger. If you really know who I am, you know I really do have every penny!
A few less pennies today though😉

Heard MAX flying in October, cross your fingers, I will believe it when I see it.

OTZeagle1 06-11-2020 01:20 PM


Originally Posted by 9mikemike (Post 3073452)
Last time we furloughed,11% of the pilots got a furlough notice. 2008-2012.....So this time we are only furloughing 12.5%. Seems like we are doing ok this time around given the dramatic decline in business as compared to 2008....What says you Kotzy boy.....Seems like working within the confines of our CBA is the way to go...No need to change the rules when it is simple enough to follow them.

Hope your right, they dove in today, pretty embarrassing if you ask me... hopeful you are right though... I guess my perspective would be different if I was a 2700 or higher. I will save my judgement for the final outcome!


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