750-1000.....Classic Angle Lake fear-mongering.Likely to help boost stock prices they fully intend to furlough what ever number Wall St thinks is appropriate. Put the leave numbers unrealistically high and when we come up short they furlough 3-400.....Broken effin record from the Anglers.....In the end they look like heroes....We busted our humps last time to save the day and got kicked in the face....

They were predicting a really dismal fall and winter though, so if a bunch took the 6 to 9 month options they would still be in better shape this fall and still staffed for next summer.

If I’m not mistaken we have around 940 on some kind of leave this month, so again I can’t see 750-1000 being a realistic number for anything longer than 6 months (although we are also lightening schedules with RBB). But, reserve utilization is rather heavy right now.

I’m not sure I buy the wall st fear-mongering either. Maybe, they’re just trying to paint a glum picture so more take it.

With all that said the best outcome would be max participation, keep people off the street. One thing we haven’t heard is, what is the plan if we don’t get enough. Reduced guarantee? I think that prospect might tip the scales for some folks. If guarantee is reduced to 65 hours a senior captain who stays could be working a full schedule for an additional 3.4 hours of pay per month. Incentive line guarantee 50 hours + (40 days vacation @ 3.5 credit/12 months)=61.6 Hours. Why wouldn’t you take this deal?

Someone else can do the real math but just for illustrative purposes... doesn't paying 1000 people 50hrs/month over a given time period very roughly equate to paying 666.66 (repeating of course) people the full 75? Hence ~333 people saved from furlough?

Forecasting how much of Sec 23 gets used is just a guess. EIL, REIL and VELOA bidding will be closed and awarded long before the furlough mitigation in Sec 23 would be activated. They have no plans to open up EIL bidding again if they miss the “magic number”. You bid it and take it.

I agree, but it would be a false assumption to believe if you don’t take an EIL or REIL that you are guaranteed to continue getting 75 hours.

Looks like he was right again

The broken clock in my garage was right 2X today


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So will SFO 320 since SEA is the only 320 base.


The only question that remains is if Boeing becomes a SFO base. With the schedule cutbacks and ERJ170s doing more and more flying in CA, I’m not hopeful. The real problem it’s gonna create is where senior VX guys go. Their seniority takes a huge hit in PDX/SEA because they don’t show up in the top 400. If you close 2 Bus bases back to back, there can only be so many openings in LAX to absorb them. I can definitely see massive displacements in LAX Boeing if they do not open up a SFO Boeing base.

For a commuter unfriendly company, this is very unfortunate. I can see SFO turning into SAN