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06-01-2021, 04:22 PM
#111
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Possible that Alaska would buy Hawaii, mostly due to HAs finances and increased competition from AS and WN.
option 2 will never happen. Never will the arrogant clowns at Angle Lake or the board allow their profitable credit card airline be purchased and surrender the Alaska name. If Alaska starts to find themselves in real trouble from competition/ finances you will see them further erode and degrade our miserable contract (and that of all work groups except exec level) and shrink the airline until it is literally only a Seattle and state of Alaska air carrier. There is no pot of gold at the end of the rainbow for AK.
option 2 will never happen. Never will the arrogant clowns at Angle Lake or the board allow their profitable credit card airline be purchased and surrender the Alaska name. If Alaska starts to find themselves in real trouble from competition/ finances you will see them further erode and degrade our miserable contract (and that of all work groups except exec level) and shrink the airline until it is literally only a Seattle and state of Alaska air carrier. There is no pot of gold at the end of the rainbow for AK.
Originally Posted by rballan
Folks,
Alaska is now back in the same situation they faced in 2016: buy someone or get bought by SWA. If they don't pull the trigger on Hawaiian and "dirty up" the fleet but instead continue the fleet simplification to all B737, the outcome is inevitable.
Cheers - Rob.
Alaska is now back in the same situation they faced in 2016: buy someone or get bought by SWA. If they don't pull the trigger on Hawaiian and "dirty up" the fleet but instead continue the fleet simplification to all B737, the outcome is inevitable.
Cheers - Rob.
06-01-2021, 04:34 PM
#112
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Originally Posted by rballan
Folks,
Alaska is now back in the same situation they faced in 2016: buy someone or get bought by SWA. If they don't pull the trigger on Hawaiian and "dirty up" the fleet but instead continue the fleet simplification to all B737, the outcome is inevitable.
Cheers - Rob.
Alaska is now back in the same situation they faced in 2016: buy someone or get bought by SWA. If they don't pull the trigger on Hawaiian and "dirty up" the fleet but instead continue the fleet simplification to all B737, the outcome is inevitable.
Cheers - Rob.
06-01-2021, 06:40 PM
#113
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Originally Posted by rballan
Folks,
Alaska is now back in the same situation they faced in 2016: buy someone or get bought by SWA. If they don't pull the trigger on Hawaiian and "dirty up" the fleet but instead continue the fleet simplification to all B737, the outcome is inevitable.
Cheers - Rob.
Alaska is now back in the same situation they faced in 2016: buy someone or get bought by SWA. If they don't pull the trigger on Hawaiian and "dirty up" the fleet but instead continue the fleet simplification to all B737, the outcome is inevitable.
Cheers - Rob.
The only spoiler would be JTBLU coming back and agreeing to all stock equity under 43% with AS executive management controlling.
Last edited by OTZeagle1; 06-01-2021 at 06:51 PM.
06-01-2021, 06:51 PM
#114
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Originally Posted by OTZeagle1
Early summer 2010, SWA took a serious look up and down AS. They kicked the tires and came back for a second test drive. In the end they decided it wasn’t worth the 2.7 billion expense and the decided to pursue the a cheaper option. SWA could never stomach the likely price tag of 11 billion for the Eskimo now. ALK and HAL is going down by next summer. There is a lot of postering, stupid talk of two independent entities under AAG. I think BM and the board in the end will do it right and merge everything into one, it’s the only way they realize all synergies.
06-01-2021, 06:54 PM
#115
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Originally Posted by BeatNavy
When you say synergies, I read that as “make it all Alaska, shutdown the HNL base, sell the 321s/330s/717s, replace with MAXs, and maybe keep the 787s.” I do also wonder if B6 might get aggressive and make a play for Hawaiian if Alaska does.
06-01-2021, 08:04 PM
#116
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Originally Posted by Ala5ka
...If Alaska starts to find themselves in real trouble from competition/ finances you will see them further erode and degrade our miserable contract (and that of all work groups except exec level) ...
06-01-2021, 08:04 PM
#117
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Originally Posted by OTZeagle1
none of that will happen... my guess, maybe 10-12 years down the road all MAX and 787... HNL, SEA, LAX, PDX, ANC, and SAN bases. 787 based out of SEA and HNL. AS screwed JTBLU when they bought VX, an East Coast Airline merger with a HNL based Hawaiian Airlines would be a disaster. For the wrong price, AS would love to watch that catastrophe implode from the safe shores of Angle lake.
06-01-2021, 08:20 PM
#118
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Originally Posted by OTZeagle1
Early summer 2010, SWA took a serious look up and down AS. They kicked the tires and came back for a second test drive. In the end they decided it wasn’t worth the 2.7 billion expense and the decided to pursue the a cheaper option. SWA could never stomach the likely price tag of 11 billion for the Eskimo now. ALK and HAL is going down by next summer. There is a lot of postering, stupid talk of two independent entities under AAG. I think BM and the board in the end will do it right and merge everything into one, it’s the only way they realize all synergies.
06-01-2021, 10:21 PM
#119
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Originally Posted by Smooth at FL450
That's correct. The holdup is training center capacity...too many instructors took the early retirement and it takes awhile to get the 35+ new instructors trained and up to speed. Also, the lack of captains to pair with the remaining 500 FOs on ExTO has created a bit of a conundrum until they start running upgrade classes. My bet is they'll all be recalled in the fall once the instructor issue has been resolved.
SWA also bought some office building just west of the new sim building, already planning the next expansion of the building while the paint is still drying on the last extension. This is per our base CPO update a couple weeks ago.
SWA also bought some office building just west of the new sim building, already planning the next expansion of the building while the paint is still drying on the last extension. This is per our base CPO update a couple weeks ago.
I posted on another forum. AA is still trying to requal. their furloughees. Flights have been cancelled, no pilots. Others not scheduled.
In addition, maintenance is working hot and heavy trying to get parked planes checked out and repairs made.
MIA has 100 737 FO on reserve. 50 still need to go through requal. so are not able to be used. Sims are jam packed.
The others are flying their b***s off.
06-02-2021, 08:45 AM
#120
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Originally Posted by RJSAviator76
Way too much overlap on the West Coast. I truly doubt it.
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