Back2future

Do they pay you extra to post this drivel? AS buying Hawaiian would be a giant gift to Southwest and anyone else who felt like picking up the pieces after we ran it into the ground. We'd be adding 900 pilots and the first thing they'd do is set up a 175 base to replace all the interisland flying. There would also be a massive amount of overlap on the West Coast that would see frequency reductions. If we're lucky that would only cause a few years of seniority stagnation while they fretted over buying one more 737 simulator and, if they're feeling really frisky, a long term lease on an Airbus Sim to handle the inevitable displacements.

Now for the bad news. AS management is so conceited that they would try to show HA how to run an airline and remove all traces of what made people fly on them in the first place. Stop me if this all sounds familiar. Within another year or so we'll all be back on here begging you for another cup of Kool aide to make us feel better about working here.

OTZeagle1

I enjoyed the read! VX had an 8 year history, Hawaiian has a 92 year. I think the final product will surprise and fit very nicely in OneWorld. If you were east coast VX or happen to actually live in the bay, the last five years have been a tough pill to swallow. This is a really tough industry.

Back2future

I'm really surprised you or your source hasn't been fired for violating your NDAs with all this info. It's almost hard to believe...

YangGang2020

Who is running who into the ground? Is it simply because you assume bigger will Always KILL the smaller. Do explain.

Ala5ka

Uhhh remember virgin America.. the small yet mighty enough airline to be a threat enough to Alaska airlines that they paid 2.6 billion for? Then in the following years dismantled all the routes either killing them completely or putting lowly 175s on bc AS couldn’t retain the VX customer from going to jet blue or ual? Fast forward 5 years and next on the chopping clock is sfo as a crew base bc they have so few departures there now?

or am I dreaming and Alaska actually didn’t run what they gained from VX into the ground. From my seat it looks like Alaska killed a competitor and retreated back to Seattle where the comfort zone is.

history is predictor of the future of HA if Alaska were too buy. Suppose that were to happen tomorrow, fast forward 3-5 years and BM will be giving a video cast about how the competitive advantage and RASM/CASM don’t generate enough to support having a HNL base, the Airbus, or the 787. More filler followed about how strong Alaska is in Seattle and how our brand is soooo loved. Don’t worry because they have it figured out. End of the saga is Hawaiian is dead and Alaska is a marginally larger airline complimented by an endless limit of Rj flying. Blah blah blah

YangGang2020

Thorough answer, but the poster alluded to an acquisition of HAL AFTER it was run into the ground. Maybe I misread/misunderstood. A career at HAL is a high beta since everyone likes our flying and our lifestyle 🤙. Targets on our backs.

Back2future

You misunderstood...

Ala5ka

Correct. I am painting the picture of what the future were to hold for the Hawaiian brand and work force post a hypothetical As acquisition of HA. The future would be dark and painful l. Pray that you don’t get bought by AS.. it doesn’t go well

MinRest

If anyone thinks it happened any other way except exactly what is said above, they are flat out wrong. This is sadly, right on the nose...

OTZeagle1

Glad you finally put your validation stamp on it. Such a strong argument, substantiated by such unquestionable evidence, could never be refuted. Well said, well said! Where do you guys come from? “AS did not want to buy VX,” this was a defensive move only. The plan from GO, was dismantle and rebuild anew. Sorry guys, this is a cutthroat industry, and as pilots we control very little, we are paid to fly planes.
Do you guys get that covid altered timing and direction of almost every airline?