Spirit and Frontier… just the beginning
#511
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A pilot wouldn’t be any better off at the bottom of a 3000 pilot list. At least the majors have retirements, I agree with you though, retirements won’t be enough to save everyone, but for those at the bottom here, there is nothing that’s going to prevent or even lower potential furlough numbers.
That should actually be helpful.
There are reasons to be more optimistic. The price of oil is already down off its highs. There are several reasons to believe oil might not spike any higher. First off, OPEC countries always cheat and export more than their stated quotas when prices are high. They can't resist. Second, Russian oil will find its way onto the world market, via China or some other route, that's just the way these things work. And third, the United States has excess capacity. US fracking operators took a huge hit during COVID and hundreds of wells were shut down. US fracking is a price stabilizing force but it lags because it takes a long time to spool up operations.
For those who need a translation of that press release:
"We are having terrible staffing issues and 737 Max delivery issues, so we'll be using this fuel price increase (even though we are hedged substantially against it) as our excuse to 'reduce' capacity while we put out our fires."
"We are having terrible staffing issues and 737 Max delivery issues, so we'll be using this fuel price increase (even though we are hedged substantially against it) as our excuse to 'reduce' capacity while we put out our fires."
#512
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I believe this is a staffing issue masquerading as a fuel cost issue.
#513
Line Holder
Joined: Feb 2011
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From: Precarious
The obscene amount of trips that dropped into open time over the last couple days would seem to back up staffing/training issues. There were a ton of sims, prime 2 day Hawaii, and 2 day SE trips all mass dumped into open time. Exactly the trips they hold out for SE and ETOPS qualification. It seems like the training department is falling seriously behind. I don't know if it is because of new hire attrition or just not being able to stay on schedule, but it's significant.
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#514
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From: Engines Turn or People Swim
There are reasons to be more optimistic. The price of oil is already down off its highs. There are several reasons to believe oil might not spike any higher. First off, OPEC countries always cheat and export more than their stated quotas when prices are high. They can't resist. Second, Russian oil will find its way onto the world market, via China or some other route, that's just the way these things work. And third, the United States has excess capacity. US fracking operators took a huge hit during COVID and hundreds of wells were shut down. US fracking is a price stabilizing force but it lags because it takes a long time to spool up operations.
Might take weeks or many months to spool up enough to make a big difference. If it drags out, addition capacity can be explored and developed within a couple years... big oil knows where those reserves are, knows the price-point, and has a plan.
Also, again, global commodity. With high prices RU can sell oil at a discount (still well above normal levels) to PRC and various other axis powers... they will naturally buy, for the discount if not to show solidarity among rogue nations. That means they're buying less on the open market, which will free up supply for the rest of the world. RU is going to need the money, so I'm sure they'll find a way to sell to somebody.
#515
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For those who need a translation of that press release:
"We are having terrible staffing issues and 737 Max delivery issues, so we'll be using this fuel price increase (even though we are hedged substantially against it) as our excuse to 'reduce' capacity while we put out our fires."
"We are having terrible staffing issues and 737 Max delivery issues, so we'll be using this fuel price increase (even though we are hedged substantially against it) as our excuse to 'reduce' capacity while we put out our fires."
Then came Putin and Oil quickly became the serious issue. Alaska has some of the best hedges in the industry right now, that allows us to probably comfortably handle the next 6 months as long as $200 oil doesn’t happen. Three or four days ago $200 oil seemed eminent.
Training is way behind, we are still losing pilots, and staffing is still a concern. Revenue has not tapered over the last few days, it has remained very strong.
Alaska biggest concern is $6 gas taking a significant bite out of the average Americans wallet, leaving little or no room for discretionary spending. This is the largest concern right now, staffing will become the concern again only if the economy holds. If $100-110 oil stays for a significant period of time, we are headed for a recession and Alaska will slow its growth plan. I think we will still grow through the downturn, but not at the rate we planned only a short few days ago. There is already talk of pulling some to most Airbus capacity in the next 6 mos.
#516
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Up to two weeks ago, staffing was the biggest problem at Alaska. ALPA, for the first time in my tenure here was finally in a position where the company knew it needed to start to listen.
Then came Putin and Oil quickly became the serious issue. Alaska has some of the best hedges in the industry right now, that allows us to probably comfortably handle the next 6 months as long as $200 oil doesn’t happen. Three or four days ago $200 oil seemed eminent.
Training is way behind, we are still losing pilots, and staffing is still a concern. Revenue has not tapered over the last few days, it has remained very strong.
Alaska biggest concern is $6 gas taking a significant bite out of the average Americans wallet, leaving little or no room for discretionary spending. This is the largest concern right now, staffing will become the concern again only if the economy holds. If $100-110 oil stays for a significant period of time, we are headed for a recession and Alaska will slow its growth plan. I think we will still grow through the downturn, but not at the rate we planned only a short few days ago. There is already talk of pulling some to most Airbus capacity in the next 6 mos.
Then came Putin and Oil quickly became the serious issue. Alaska has some of the best hedges in the industry right now, that allows us to probably comfortably handle the next 6 months as long as $200 oil doesn’t happen. Three or four days ago $200 oil seemed eminent.
Training is way behind, we are still losing pilots, and staffing is still a concern. Revenue has not tapered over the last few days, it has remained very strong.
Alaska biggest concern is $6 gas taking a significant bite out of the average Americans wallet, leaving little or no room for discretionary spending. This is the largest concern right now, staffing will become the concern again only if the economy holds. If $100-110 oil stays for a significant period of time, we are headed for a recession and Alaska will slow its growth plan. I think we will still grow through the downturn, but not at the rate we planned only a short few days ago. There is already talk of pulling some to most Airbus capacity in the next 6 mos.
#517
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From: Engines Turn or People Swim
#518
Covfefe
Joined: Jun 2015
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JetBlue just announced 4% capacity reduction in April and 6-8% in May, and expect reductions into the summer. Between staffing, operational issues, and wokeness, it sounds like B6 and AS were made for each other!
#519
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The big three are servicing so much debt, they can’t slow, the have to charge forward and pray. If this doesn’t swing around fast, they will all be in terrible shape, begging for money from Uncle Sam. Maybe there is a reason Alaska has never claimed bankruptcy and each of the big three have🤔. Or maybe you are just way smarter then the idiots running this place, maybe your brilliant 🤔
#520
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The big three are servicing so much debt, they can’t slow, the have to charge forward and pray. If this doesn’t swing around fast, they will all be in terrible shape, begging for money from Uncle Sam. Maybe there is a reason Alaska has never claimed bankruptcy and each of the big three have🤔. Or maybe you are just way smarter then the idiots running this place, maybe your brilliant 🤔
We’ll see. The plan may change by the end of the day.


