Spirit and Frontier… just the beginning
03-11-2022 | 07:35 PM
#541
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A typical characteristic of legacy carriers is that they usually provide higher quality services than a low-cost carrier; for example, a legacy carrier typically offers first class and business class seating, a frequent-flyer program, and exclusive airport lounges.[2] Many legacy carriers are also members of an airline alliance through which they agree to provide those services to each other's passengers. Also, legacy carriers generally have better cabin services, such as meal service and in-flight entertainment.
The term 'legacy carrier' has generally not been used outside the United States. Many other countries have long-established flag carriers that are or were historically owned by or often given preferential treatment by their national governments. The national airlines occupy a position roughly equivalent to the American legacy carriers on quality of service and membership in international alliances compared to newer low-cost carriers. None of the American legacy carriers is an official flag carrier of the United States.
Since the Deregulation Act, many legacy carriers have folded or merged with other carriers. Those that survived now benefit from the fact that low-cost carriers no longer hold large cost advantages over the major legacy carriers.[3][4] There are currently three U.S.-based legacy carriers left that operate transcontinental and overseas route networks
The term 'legacy carrier' has generally not been used outside the United States. Many other countries have long-established flag carriers that are or were historically owned by or often given preferential treatment by their national governments. The national airlines occupy a position roughly equivalent to the American legacy carriers on quality of service and membership in international alliances compared to newer low-cost carriers. None of the American legacy carriers is an official flag carrier of the United States.
Since the Deregulation Act, many legacy carriers have folded or merged with other carriers. Those that survived now benefit from the fact that low-cost carriers no longer hold large cost advantages over the major legacy carriers.[3][4] There are currently three U.S.-based legacy carriers left that operate transcontinental and overseas route networks
03-11-2022 | 07:51 PM
#542
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I am glad this industry has sucked my entire career. It sucked so bad, I knew I had to find a way to make real money. Now, very regularly my net moves plus or minus a years Alaska salary a day in the market. This crappy industry has never caught me flat footed. 🥃🥃🥃 Everyone, enjoy your weekend, this was not a good week in the market😱
03-11-2022 | 07:57 PM
#543
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If Wikipedia says so, case closed, it is all knowing. I am confident a lot of Alaska’s staving off bankruptcy 90 years, has been its size. I don’t care where I work, legacy, LCC, ULCC… I am just here collecting a check.
I am glad this industry has sucked my entire career. It sucked so bad, I knew I had to find a way to make real money. Now, very regularly my net moves plus or minus a years Alaska salary a day in the market. This crappy industry has never caught me flat footed. 🥃🥃🥃 Everyone, enjoy your weekend, this was not a good week in the market😱
I am glad this industry has sucked my entire career. It sucked so bad, I knew I had to find a way to make real money. Now, very regularly my net moves plus or minus a years Alaska salary a day in the market. This crappy industry has never caught me flat footed. 🥃🥃🥃 Everyone, enjoy your weekend, this was not a good week in the market😱
03-11-2022 | 08:26 PM
#544
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A legacy carrier, in the United States, is an airline that had established interstate routes before the beginning of the route liberalization permitted by the Airline Deregulation Act of 1978 and so was directly affected by that Act. Legacy carriers are distinct from low-cost carriers, which, in the United States, are generally new airlines and were started to compete in the newly deregulated industry.[1]
That's the definition. That's it. That's all it means. Why do pilots get hung up on this as if it carries any weight? AA is a Legacy and their product and contract are a regular complaint of my AA buddies. Does that make them less Legacy? Nope, because they've been in business since before 1978!
03-11-2022 | 08:33 PM
#545
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Because Alaska pilots throw it around like it has weight. It's just another example of how the airline pretends to be more than what it is.
It happens so often that it's part of the culture here.
Don't forget, we're the 5th largest airline* (if you include our wholly-owned regional in the count)
It happens so often that it's part of the culture here.
Don't forget, we're the 5th largest airline* (if you include our wholly-owned regional in the count)
03-11-2022 | 08:45 PM
#546
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Because Alaska pilots throw it around like it has weight. It's just another example of how the airline pretends to be more than what it is.
It happens so often that it's part of the culture here.
Don't forget, we're the 5th largest airline* (if you include our wholly-owned regional in the count)
It happens so often that it's part of the culture here.
Don't forget, we're the 5th largest airline* (if you include our wholly-owned regional in the count)
03-11-2022 | 09:20 PM
#547
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You love to see it!!! Unless, of course, you actually work here too, in which case WE, and all the other frontline workers, will suffer for THEIR incompetence. I can't wait for the inevitable email blaming everything on pilot sick calls.
03-11-2022 | 09:54 PM
#548
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From: Cessna 205
9 is best case as long as everyone gets released by trainjng, could be less than 9. This just means that reserves from every other base will heading to Seattle for more abuse than usual.
03-12-2022 | 08:01 AM
#549
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From: Engines Turn or People Swim
Will all of the world's producers simply decline to develop any of the reserves which will become economical over $100/bbl? Why?
03-12-2022 | 08:07 AM
#550
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From: Engines Turn or People Swim
You left this out of your wiki quote.
A legacy carrier, in the United States, is an airline that had established interstate routes before the beginning of the route liberalization permitted by the Airline Deregulation Act of 1978 and so was directly affected by that Act. Legacy carriers are distinct from low-cost carriers, which, in the United States, are generally new airlines and were started to compete in the newly deregulated industry.[1]
That's the definition. That's it. That's all it means. Why do pilots get hung up on this as if it carries any weight? AA is a Legacy and their product and contract are a regular complaint of my AA buddies. Does that make them less Legacy? Nope, because they've been in business since before 1978!
A legacy carrier, in the United States, is an airline that had established interstate routes before the beginning of the route liberalization permitted by the Airline Deregulation Act of 1978 and so was directly affected by that Act. Legacy carriers are distinct from low-cost carriers, which, in the United States, are generally new airlines and were started to compete in the newly deregulated industry.[1]
That's the definition. That's it. That's all it means. Why do pilots get hung up on this as if it carries any weight? AA is a Legacy and their product and contract are a regular complaint of my AA buddies. Does that make them less Legacy? Nope, because they've been in business since before 1978!
- Regional Feed + Hub & Spoke
- Alliances
- Widebodies + global reach
So AS resembles other legacies more than it resembles ULCC, but obviously has no widebodies and no long-haul ops.
