Spirit and Frontier… just the beginning
#441
No. Wait, I'm wrong you are...
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#442
Banned
Joined: May 2018
Posts: 1,241
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And Dude, I didn’t bring up BTC, he keeps doing that.
#443
Line Holder
Joined: Mar 2022
Posts: 258
Likes: 28
I really don’t care what you think. The dude said I was all in on BTC…. I was just stating, while 16% is a rather large position, it is a far cry from all in. I know you are way smarter then me, I mean you must be a QX skygod, just look how awesome you are…. Let me guess, you put in 22 at QX, cause your so awesome. Did you know, Cathie Wood says BTC to 1,000,000 by 2030…. Who knows, she said TSLA to 4,000 and got laughed at by almost every analyst. Most financial advisors suggest a 2 to 4% position in BTC, but heck, you don’t care, you have been getting it perfect your whole life, just look where you are🥴🥴🥴
And Dude, I didn’t bring up BTC, he keeps doing that.
And Dude, I didn’t bring up BTC, he keeps doing that.
I’d think you’d be out on the line on April 1 with 100s of other pilots, but shoot, those barnacles don’t clean themselves off the bottom of the boat, right?
#445
On Reserve
Joined: Dec 2015
Posts: 124
Likes: 31
A lot of market analysts have a price target for Alaska set around $85 per share. I doubt the board would sell for anything less than that and would probably demand several percent more. The sale price would probably fall between $80 or $105 per share.
Airline stocks are in a weird place right now. Their current value is higher than where they should be based on current travel demand, but also they're priced much lower than they would be if travel makes a full comeback. Current prices have some hope for the future baked in but also some uncertainty.
Alaska's share price has tracked pretty close to the other US carriers which IMO undervalues Alaska. Domestic travel is coming back faster than foreign travel, Alaska has the lowest operating costs of any non-ULCC, and Alaska has the strongest balance sheet. We should be trading at a premium, but we're not. Investors seem to be trading airline stocks as a block rather than looking at each individual player. Alaska stock has a ways to run baring and unforseen circumstances...
Which leads us to world events, specifically Russia/Ukraine. The knee jerk reaction is for oil prices to surge and airline stocks to plunge, but maybe that's just a short term reaction? As strong as our sanctions have been, they still aren't targeting Russia's energy exports. And even if the western nations stopped importing Russian oil, it would probably still find its way onto the market via China. So unless Russia itself decides to keep its oil off the market (unlikely), the world's supply of oil hasn't changed.
As far as sanctions go, the freezing of Russia's foreign currency reserves is what's causing the most market instability. This move was the financial nuclear option, it's never been done on this scale and Putin didn't think the west would ever do it. Russia holds a half a trillion dollars in currency reserves. Without access to that money, their economy will crumble. That's why the value of the ruble has dropped and Russia won't open their stock market for fear of a massive crash.
Freezing Russia's foreign assets has backed Putin into a corner. This risks him starting a wider war but it also means Ukraine might actually win and Putin could lose his grip on power. That's a wide range of outcomes when thinking of how to value a stock. A full on European war and Alaska's stock goes towards $20. A return to stability and Alaska's stock goes to $100. If you're on the board of directors and you're considering share price with a 5, 10,15 year time horizon, you're probably not going to sell today, there are just too many variables. The same goes for a buying entity. It's just too hard to price anything, and maybe you want to horde your cash until things blow over.
Airline stocks are in a weird place right now. Their current value is higher than where they should be based on current travel demand, but also they're priced much lower than they would be if travel makes a full comeback. Current prices have some hope for the future baked in but also some uncertainty.
Alaska's share price has tracked pretty close to the other US carriers which IMO undervalues Alaska. Domestic travel is coming back faster than foreign travel, Alaska has the lowest operating costs of any non-ULCC, and Alaska has the strongest balance sheet. We should be trading at a premium, but we're not. Investors seem to be trading airline stocks as a block rather than looking at each individual player. Alaska stock has a ways to run baring and unforseen circumstances...
Which leads us to world events, specifically Russia/Ukraine. The knee jerk reaction is for oil prices to surge and airline stocks to plunge, but maybe that's just a short term reaction? As strong as our sanctions have been, they still aren't targeting Russia's energy exports. And even if the western nations stopped importing Russian oil, it would probably still find its way onto the market via China. So unless Russia itself decides to keep its oil off the market (unlikely), the world's supply of oil hasn't changed.
As far as sanctions go, the freezing of Russia's foreign currency reserves is what's causing the most market instability. This move was the financial nuclear option, it's never been done on this scale and Putin didn't think the west would ever do it. Russia holds a half a trillion dollars in currency reserves. Without access to that money, their economy will crumble. That's why the value of the ruble has dropped and Russia won't open their stock market for fear of a massive crash.
Freezing Russia's foreign assets has backed Putin into a corner. This risks him starting a wider war but it also means Ukraine might actually win and Putin could lose his grip on power. That's a wide range of outcomes when thinking of how to value a stock. A full on European war and Alaska's stock goes towards $20. A return to stability and Alaska's stock goes to $100. If you're on the board of directors and you're considering share price with a 5, 10,15 year time horizon, you're probably not going to sell today, there are just too many variables. The same goes for a buying entity. It's just too hard to price anything, and maybe you want to horde your cash until things blow over.
#446
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: May 2017
Posts: 936
Likes: 1
This is the best part about going to work. Not having to watch the news, read or look into world events.
It’s so great having so many: lawyers, doctors, epidemiologists, socio economic experts and geo political experts sitting right next to me for hours on end.
My favorite thing is when you don’t even have to ask them to share their expert opinions on the world. They just tell you, sometimes non stop for up to five or six hours!
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It’s so great having so many: lawyers, doctors, epidemiologists, socio economic experts and geo political experts sitting right next to me for hours on end.
My favorite thing is when you don’t even have to ask them to share their expert opinions on the world. They just tell you, sometimes non stop for up to five or six hours!
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#447
Prime Minister/Moderator

Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 44,882
Likes: 682
From: Engines Turn or People Swim
Airline stocks are in a weird place right now. Their current value is higher than where they should be based on current travel demand, but also they're priced much lower than they would be if travel makes a full comeback. Current prices have some hope for the future baked in but also some uncertainty.
Alaska's share price has tracked pretty close to the other US carriers which IMO undervalues Alaska. Domestic travel is coming back faster than foreign travel, Alaska has the lowest operating costs of any non-ULCC, and Alaska has the strongest balance sheet. We should be trading at a premium, but we're not. Investors seem to be trading airline stocks as a block rather than looking at each individual player.
Alaska's share price has tracked pretty close to the other US carriers which IMO undervalues Alaska. Domestic travel is coming back faster than foreign travel, Alaska has the lowest operating costs of any non-ULCC, and Alaska has the strongest balance sheet. We should be trading at a premium, but we're not. Investors seem to be trading airline stocks as a block rather than looking at each individual player.
Which leads us to world events, specifically Russia/Ukraine. The knee jerk reaction is for oil prices to surge and airline stocks to plunge, but maybe that's just a short term reaction? As strong as our sanctions have been, they still aren't targeting Russia's energy exports. And even if the western nations stopped importing Russian oil, it would probably still find its way onto the market via China. So unless Russia itself decides to keep its oil off the market (unlikely), the world's supply of oil hasn't changed.
Freezing Russia's foreign assets has backed Putin into a corner. This risks him starting a wider war but it also means Ukraine might actually win and Putin could lose his grip on power. That's a wide range of outcomes when thinking of how to value a stock. A full on European war and Alaska's stock goes towards $20. A return to stability and Alaska's stock goes to $100. If you're on the board of directors and you're considering share price with a 5, 10,15 year time horizon, you're probably not going to sell today, there are just too many variables. The same goes for a buying entity. It's just too hard to price anything, and maybe you want to horde your cash until things blow over.
#448
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 20,869
Likes: 187
I assure everyone in the CEO chat boards, they all laugh at how clueless pilots are in finance. Maybe that is why so many of our number need age 65 or even now 67.
Alaska, financially is the healthiest carrier in the country, yes, let me re-iterat, Alaska Airlines is the most financially sound Airline in the United States. They have weathered 90 years in this industry while countless others have folded. Size to many of you is the only thing that matters. In this industry it guarantees nothing…ie Pan Am, Eastern, TWA, Braniff, and on and on. Alaska is in the drivers seat in this next round of consolidation. Most of you can not handle this fact because of your blinded by your disdain for our management. The entirety of VX merger debt has been paid, paid during some of the worst times in aviation history, paid easily.
Our max order has unbelievable value, our cost per aircraft is well bellow even SWA’s order. Looking back on it now AS management wishes it was an order of 300 MAX aircraft, we will never get that kind of deal again. We can complete with anyone, we can chip away at almost any transcontinental pairing we want, we grow Hawaii where we will see fit. In the end though, we will likely merge because that is what’s best for this industry and our shareholders.
Alaska, financially is the healthiest carrier in the country, yes, let me re-iterat, Alaska Airlines is the most financially sound Airline in the United States. They have weathered 90 years in this industry while countless others have folded. Size to many of you is the only thing that matters. In this industry it guarantees nothing…ie Pan Am, Eastern, TWA, Braniff, and on and on. Alaska is in the drivers seat in this next round of consolidation. Most of you can not handle this fact because of your blinded by your disdain for our management. The entirety of VX merger debt has been paid, paid during some of the worst times in aviation history, paid easily.
Our max order has unbelievable value, our cost per aircraft is well bellow even SWA’s order. Looking back on it now AS management wishes it was an order of 300 MAX aircraft, we will never get that kind of deal again. We can complete with anyone, we can chip away at almost any transcontinental pairing we want, we grow Hawaii where we will see fit. In the end though, we will likely merge because that is what’s best for this industry and our shareholders.
#449
One other unknown is what the feds will ALLOW by way of merger. WN has a pretty huge market share. Would the antitrust guys even permit a merger or acquisition? Would someone have to give up some Hawaii flying to make it happen? Assuming it could happen at all? NK and F9 combining would up their domestic market share to market share to what..? Maybe 8%? AS and any of the Big Four would be well over that. Maybe 25-26%?
With this administration wanting to show its antitrust bonafides any merger with a larger carrier would sure be no slam-dunk.
With this administration wanting to show its antitrust bonafides any merger with a larger carrier would sure be no slam-dunk.
#450
On Reserve
Joined: Dec 2015
Posts: 124
Likes: 31
This is the best part about going to work. Not having to watch the news, read or look into world events.
It’s so great having so many: lawyers, doctors, epidemiologists, socio economic experts and geo political experts sitting right next to me for hours on end.
My favorite thing is when you don’t even have to ask them to share their expert opinions on the world. They just tell you, sometimes non stop for up to five or six hours!
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It’s so great having so many: lawyers, doctors, epidemiologists, socio economic experts and geo political experts sitting right next to me for hours on end.
My favorite thing is when you don’t even have to ask them to share their expert opinions on the world. They just tell you, sometimes non stop for up to five or six hours!
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