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Old 04-06-2022 | 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by KNOTAPILOT
As much as I always thought the merger was going to be Jetblue and Alaska and I would have loved to be a part of it, why would anyone think Jetblue and Alaska are going to possibly merge now? Specially after Jetblue made such a strong offer for Spirit. That will be a headache trying to figure out the product for many years to come.
If you're referring to B6/NK as a headache trying to figure out the product, that's already taken care of. B6 will reconfigure all NK aircraft in B6 seating configuration and paint the planes blue. They'll throw some blue shirts on the NK pilots and voila - B6 grows almost double in size.
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Old 04-06-2022 | 06:51 PM
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I’m not an AS fan boy but what they bought in VX was real estate. I believe it was 13 JFK slots. 1 DCA transcon slot. Multiple LGA, DCA inner ring slots (currently leased to SWA and Blue I believe). SFO gates, LAX gates and those coveted DAL gates. All those are still owned by air group. It wasn’t 800 pilots and a leased fleet, there is no value in that. The same people that were saying AS bought VX as a defensive move are now saying blue buying spirit is all about growth? Please, the frontier spirit merger would really hurt jetblue in Florida. This was their defensive play and it is probably the first of many. The checker players always critique the chess moves.
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Old 04-06-2022 | 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Andy
If you're referring to B6/NK as a headache trying to figure out the product, that's already taken care of. B6 will reconfigure all NK aircraft in B6 seating configuration and paint the planes blue. They'll throw some blue shirts on the NK pilots and voila - B6 grows almost double in size.
You know how difficult that is? The amount of years, taking planes down for a prolonged time to fit the JetBlue way. How much it costs to do it and the cost of not operating it. The cost of not being identified as neither brand for many many years. Think about getting a ticket on JetBlue in 3 years and wondering if you’re going to have leg room and a Tv or being tight and being front row to a fight? You don’t think both demographics that like each airline stay off? Mostly the JetBlue loyals?
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Old 04-06-2022 | 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by THE SHAFT
I’m not an AS fan boy but what they bought in VX was real estate. I believe it was 13 JFK slots. 1 DCA transcon slot. Multiple LGA, DCA inner ring slots (currently leased to SWA and Blue I believe). SFO gates, LAX gates and those coveted DAL gates. All those are still owned by air group. It wasn’t 800 pilots and a leased fleet, there is no value in that. The same people that were saying AS bought VX as a defensive move are now saying blue buying spirit is all about growth? Please, the frontier spirit merger would really hurt jetblue in Florida. This was their defensive play and it is probably the first of many. The checker players always critique the chess moves.
I think you’re very correct. Frontier spirit merger would have potentially kicked our asses in Florida. Although a different customer group, still would have made us struggle in Florida. I do believe it’s a defensive move above all else.
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Old 04-06-2022 | 07:19 PM
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upgrade class for tomorrow just cancelled
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Old 04-06-2022 | 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Flaps1check
upgrade class for tomorrow just cancelled
On which plane?
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Old 04-06-2022 | 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by echelon
Here he is folks, the resident expert on all things SWA. That reminds me, have you graduated from indoc yet? How long have you been there, couple weeks?
I’m flying the line and enjoying the fact that I’m not at regional step stone. Thanks Alaska for the free type rating! You should come you’ll be glad you left this dumpster fire 🔥 WN Luvs Alaska defectors
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Old 04-06-2022 | 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Hot Dog
I’m flying the line and enjoying the fact that I’m not at regional step stone. Thanks Alaska for the free type rating! You should come you’ll be glad you left this dumpster fire 🔥 WN Luvs Alaska defectors
Too bad your former brothers and sisters can't be a little more classy but it is APC after all.

Congrats on moving on.
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Old 04-06-2022 | 11:40 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Didn't say there wasn't a reason for it, just that the reason is not apparent at face value.

Why did this pop up after the F9 merger announcement... did NK engineer that to stave off B6?
Neither here nor there, but I think NK’s poison pill expired at the end of March. A few days later…..
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Old 04-07-2022 | 01:22 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Didn't say there wasn't a reason for it, just that the reason is not apparent at face value.

Why did this pop up after the F9 merger announcement... did NK engineer that to stave off B6?
The reason is relevance in MCO and dominance in FLL (read protection from NK/F9 dominating FLL), as well as instantly expanding the network outside of NY/BOS/FL. And getting a ton of planes and orders with people to staff them since B6 is struggling to hire enough fast enough organically for the growth they want.

As for the timing, apparently it’s been looked at for quite some time, but the F9 announcement made them crap or get off the pot. Obviously the timing isn’t ideal given the existing DOJ fight B6 is facing, but they didn’t have much choice in the matter. My guess is they didn’t want to do anything until the NEA matter was settled, but their window of opportunity was closing with the frontier deal. I think the CEO basically said that in his CNBC interview or investor call yesterday (forgot which).
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