Spirit and Frontier… just the beginning
#631
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AS BOD believes they need to be the #5 airline to remain relevant. F9, G4, SY would not achieve that.
AS/B6 are the most likely because there is actually a dialogue. I have heard the only musts for B6 are NY HQ, JetBlue branding, Reconfigured board elected CEO and EVP’s. That may be a bridge to fas for AS. Those were the same holdups in 2015.
LUV and UAL can play or not play a hand. Either one could go after Alaska, JetBlue, or Spirit. AS could make a play for Spirit but I would put that at unlikely. AS also would likely need the pilots under a long term contract to be able to get the best capital rate to pull off any hostile move. Get your popcorn, it’s anyones guess. SK said he wants to be the largest airline in the world, I think he only gets there by buying Alaska, JetBlue, or Spirit. Southwest’s only play would be to protect their long term interests.
AS/B6 are the most likely because there is actually a dialogue. I have heard the only musts for B6 are NY HQ, JetBlue branding, Reconfigured board elected CEO and EVP’s. That may be a bridge to fas for AS. Those were the same holdups in 2015.
LUV and UAL can play or not play a hand. Either one could go after Alaska, JetBlue, or Spirit. AS could make a play for Spirit but I would put that at unlikely. AS also would likely need the pilots under a long term contract to be able to get the best capital rate to pull off any hostile move. Get your popcorn, it’s anyones guess. SK said he wants to be the largest airline in the world, I think he only gets there by buying Alaska, JetBlue, or Spirit. Southwest’s only play would be to protect their long term interests.
They need to be #5; #6 doesn't cut it?
If B6/NK happens, does that mean that AS will put themselves up for sale to the highest bidder since they'd no longer be relevant and couldn't get to #5 without multiple mergers?LUV flies guppies. Both B6 and NK have buses. I don't think there's enough value added for LUV to have to dump the entire fleet, pick up a bunch of guppies, and retrain entire airlines.
UAL can't go after B6; not even close to reality. I suggest you review the NYC divestitures that UAL had to do as a result of the UAL/CAL merger. And their combined market concentration was less than B6/UAL.
I doubt that either UAL or LUV have much interest in NK; not enough value added for either airline.
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There’s too many tech issues plaguing WN right now. The last thing they’re interested in
is bringing on a Bus a MAX 9/10 and a regional turbo prop feeder. WN does not like to outsource. I could be wrong, but I seriously doubt a WN/AS merger. And you’re right I don’t want to see that 😎
is bringing on a Bus a MAX 9/10 and a regional turbo prop feeder. WN does not like to outsource. I could be wrong, but I seriously doubt a WN/AS merger. And you’re right I don’t want to see that 😎
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G4, SY, F9- would all be a distant 6. I think they could live with 6 if it were close.
I put what was possible, I think UAL best move is AS. I think ALK best move is JetBlue, but if neither happens, I think F9 maybe… If WN doesn’t like how any of this is playing out, I think they cough up some cash and grab AS. I have never heard F9 mentioned by any credible source, that is a guess, based on their size.
Yes, the #5 source is absolutely credible! I believe the direct quote was “We have to be five, I mean we all know we have to be 5.”
If I had to bet, I would bet AS/B6 in under 3 weeks. Then we will see if UAL or SWA disapprove
I put what was possible, I think UAL best move is AS. I think ALK best move is JetBlue, but if neither happens, I think F9 maybe… If WN doesn’t like how any of this is playing out, I think they cough up some cash and grab AS. I have never heard F9 mentioned by any credible source, that is a guess, based on their size.
Yes, the #5 source is absolutely credible! I believe the direct quote was “We have to be five, I mean we all know we have to be 5.”
If I had to bet, I would bet AS/B6 in under 3 weeks. Then we will see if UAL or SWA disapprove
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#634
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And what about your source telling you that B6 and AS management are talking to each other?
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B6 works in my opinion, because it won't kill the OneWorld alliance, or any of Alaska's Int'l "partners." They'll get the extra revenue that JB has on the East Coast, or JB gets the extra revenue on the W Coast. If this happens we're gonna need some mid con bases as well. I see Austin as one possibly. I would rather merge with B6, than be acquired/merged with WN. That's just my opinion. The pilots will fare better in an AS/B6 merger. I still have massive doubts this will happen, but it does look like it needs to for any kind of competitive strategy. I hope if it does, AS mgmt is GONE. Interesting times.
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JetBlue makes an offer for Spirit and out of that we come up with Alaska and JetBlue are going to merge? Even if, in a hypothetical east coast commuters dream merger, there is to much arrogance in the management at Alaska to willingly give up the name and brand.
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B6 + NK does not make sense... one would tend to suspect that there's something else driving that.
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