Spirit and Frontier… just the beginning
#601
Covfefe
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I did sit in the jumpseat the other day and one of our 737 captains thinks we’ll buy B6 because they mainly lease their aircraft and it will be easy to unload them. I said to him are you suggesting we spend billions on an acquisition to park 280 aircraft. He said, yep. Thank god pilots don’t run airlines.
#603
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Joined: Mar 2016
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From: Legacy C130 Galley Operation Instructor
#605
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Mar 2006
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From: guppy CA
Ya know it’s just sad to watch. I don’t see the pilots at any other domestic airline of our size wondering about survival/growth. This boils down to leadership and co mmunication, and even if it’s NOT the case, it at least feels like our management is either arrogant, incompetent or some version of both..
There are a number of ways to measure size of airlines. Here is the wiki page for North America by passenger count, fleet size, (feel free to ignore these two) destinations, and frequency. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._North_America
If you choose to measure by pax count, the big 4 (AA, DAL, UAL, LUV) are pretty much one group. Below that, the next US airline is Alaska, with a comparable pax count to Spirit and Jetblue. And F9 isn't that far behind on pax count.
The pilots at those airlines are concerned about the same things as Alaska. Survival/growth is an industry wide problem right now.
Now that B6 has entered the merger fray, I expect there to be some more mergers. And if B6/NK goes through (I'm expecting that to happen), Alaska is probably going to be in play. It's possible that one of the big 4 could acquire Alaska; LUV and UAL would be the least likely to encounter much DOJ resistance.
And don't forget F9; if they aren't able to merge with NK, they're likely to merge with someone else.
#606
On Reserve
Joined: Dec 2015
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There are two ways to view Alaska's current management: either they're deep in secret merger negotiations or they are totally incompetent.
Evidence of merger or stupidity, take your pick:
1) Since Ben has taken over, he's been the invisible CEO. No vision, no goals, no leadership during crisis. Where is this guy? He has no shortage of charisma and ego. I thought Ben would be out front from day one, you could see him drooling for this job. Instead, he's off in a bunker somewhere.
2) The current pilot staffing shortage was avoidable. They saw the numbers, they set the schedules. Why would they get themselves into such a predicament while in contract negotiations? Last weekend, they gave away all negotiating leverage and are continuing to trash the Alaska brand as the staffing crisis shows no signs of abating. This was an unforced error. Why? To what gain? The only explanations are they're trying to keep their numbers tight for a merger or they don't know what they're doing.
3) No real dealing with the pilot contract... It's obvious to everyone that Alaska needs modern pilot contract to entice folks to apply here. The pilots aren't even asking for the moon, just industry standard work rules and payrates set to keep up with our peers. With PBS on the table there are plenty of moving parts and lots of room to horse trade. I don't understand why Alaska doesn't get creative and hammer out a deal that makes this place an excellent place to work. Instead, middle managers beat on the pilots with decades old negotiating strategies and send out infuriating emails on a weekly basis. All of it just further unifies the pilots while making a mockery of Alaska's so called culture of caring. It's absolutely toxic.
4) The pandemic recovery was supposed to be Alaska's time to shine. Alaska has the strongest balance sheet, the best aircraft order book in history, the lowest cost per seat mile, etc. We were supposed to ride this thing to the moon, or at least get something approaching double digit growth rates. Instead, here we sit, dead in the water, Max's replacing busses. There's no marketing, it's dead quiet. We're behaving more like a regional bank brand than a dynamic travel company. It's one thing to be safe and conservative, but Alaska has crossed the line and become gutless and floundering.
It's my hope that Jetblue made the Spirit offer because they know SWA is about to buy Alaska. A Spirit-Jetblue merger makes zero sense other than as a desperate move to stay relevant and large enough to be a player. Or maybe, JetBlue just has balls and chooses to write their own future because they don't have the option of retreating to Seattle.
Evidence of merger or stupidity, take your pick:
1) Since Ben has taken over, he's been the invisible CEO. No vision, no goals, no leadership during crisis. Where is this guy? He has no shortage of charisma and ego. I thought Ben would be out front from day one, you could see him drooling for this job. Instead, he's off in a bunker somewhere.
2) The current pilot staffing shortage was avoidable. They saw the numbers, they set the schedules. Why would they get themselves into such a predicament while in contract negotiations? Last weekend, they gave away all negotiating leverage and are continuing to trash the Alaska brand as the staffing crisis shows no signs of abating. This was an unforced error. Why? To what gain? The only explanations are they're trying to keep their numbers tight for a merger or they don't know what they're doing.
3) No real dealing with the pilot contract... It's obvious to everyone that Alaska needs modern pilot contract to entice folks to apply here. The pilots aren't even asking for the moon, just industry standard work rules and payrates set to keep up with our peers. With PBS on the table there are plenty of moving parts and lots of room to horse trade. I don't understand why Alaska doesn't get creative and hammer out a deal that makes this place an excellent place to work. Instead, middle managers beat on the pilots with decades old negotiating strategies and send out infuriating emails on a weekly basis. All of it just further unifies the pilots while making a mockery of Alaska's so called culture of caring. It's absolutely toxic.
4) The pandemic recovery was supposed to be Alaska's time to shine. Alaska has the strongest balance sheet, the best aircraft order book in history, the lowest cost per seat mile, etc. We were supposed to ride this thing to the moon, or at least get something approaching double digit growth rates. Instead, here we sit, dead in the water, Max's replacing busses. There's no marketing, it's dead quiet. We're behaving more like a regional bank brand than a dynamic travel company. It's one thing to be safe and conservative, but Alaska has crossed the line and become gutless and floundering.
It's my hope that Jetblue made the Spirit offer because they know SWA is about to buy Alaska. A Spirit-Jetblue merger makes zero sense other than as a desperate move to stay relevant and large enough to be a player. Or maybe, JetBlue just has balls and chooses to write their own future because they don't have the option of retreating to Seattle.
#608
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Joined: Apr 2013
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2)3) No real dealing with the pilot contract... It's obvious to everyone that Alaska needs modern pilot contract to entice folks to apply here. The pilots aren't even asking for the moon, just industry standard work rules and payrates set to keep up with our peers. With PBS on the table there are plenty of moving parts and lots of room to horse trade. I don't understand why Alaska doesn't get creative and hammer out a deal that makes this place an excellent place to work. Instead, middle managers beat on the pilots with decades old negotiating strategies and send out infuriating emails on a weekly basis. All of it just further unifies the pilots while making a mockery of Alaska's so called culture of caring. It's absolutely toxic.
#609
Banned
Joined: May 2018
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AS and B6 are talking… I think B6 just went all in and forced AS to make a decision. Either way B6 wins. One way AS is in a world of hurt. Current odds have to be 2 to 3, I become a JetBlue pilot. The only two other variables I see are UAL and SWA. Crazy world



