Spirit and Frontier… just the beginning
#692
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1) Yes. 2) yes it matters, all contracts are enforceable in the event of merger and successorship. Otherwise airline execs would just set up new holdings companies, “acquire” the old airline, and just dump the contracts. It would just turn into an airline holdings group shell game and decimate labor. But, the acquiring company has to abide by whatever the existing contracts stipulate, as well as facilitates negotiations for a JCBA (as stipulated by B6 CBA, not sure what AS CBA says). B6 CBA requires a JCBA be negotiated prior to any integration happening. I think about 4500 pilots at B6 wouldnt ratify any JCBA that allows RJs, so that could be an issue for Alaska management if they were the enduring leadership of a hypothetical merged AS/B6.
#693
After thinking about it this makes very little sense.
if alaska is doing the offer to acquire JetBlue…
jetblue, according to you, is not willing to negotiate headquarters outside of nyc and a maintaining of their executives. So alaska is willing to part with all of that now?
if JetBlue is going to attempt to acquire as.. why go through all the trouble to pretend to acquire spirit.
makes no sense. A three way linkup between as/JetBlue/spirit would never be approved. JetBlue/spirit likely will never be approved. Alaska has a better shot of doj approval..but based on JetBlue wants and how little alaska likes to budge on their brand identity/ control, I don’t ever see a merger happening (even though route structure wise it makes the most sense).
obviously JetBlue and spirit merged probably is a death blow to alaska.. so maybe in light of this they are willing to give up their “non-negotiable” items. That just doesn’t strike me as the alaska way though
if alaska is doing the offer to acquire JetBlue…
jetblue, according to you, is not willing to negotiate headquarters outside of nyc and a maintaining of their executives. So alaska is willing to part with all of that now?
if JetBlue is going to attempt to acquire as.. why go through all the trouble to pretend to acquire spirit.
makes no sense. A three way linkup between as/JetBlue/spirit would never be approved. JetBlue/spirit likely will never be approved. Alaska has a better shot of doj approval..but based on JetBlue wants and how little alaska likes to budge on their brand identity/ control, I don’t ever see a merger happening (even though route structure wise it makes the most sense).
obviously JetBlue and spirit merged probably is a death blow to alaska.. so maybe in light of this they are willing to give up their “non-negotiable” items. That just doesn’t strike me as the alaska way though
I think what our BOD wants trumps what our management wants.
#694
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All of you who think the government will stop any merger of carriers that will still end up being way smaller than the big four do not understand the DOJs role in review. The DOJ can contest these mergers to possibly have a judge put conditions or restrictions on them (think what AS had to divest in codeshares when buying VX), they cannot simply say no you cannot merge.
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#697
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After thinking about it this makes very little sense.
if alaska is doing the offer to acquire JetBlue…
jetblue, according to you, is not willing to negotiate headquarters outside of nyc and a maintaining of their executives. So alaska is willing to part with all of that now?
if alaska is doing the offer to acquire JetBlue…
jetblue, according to you, is not willing to negotiate headquarters outside of nyc and a maintaining of their executives. So alaska is willing to part with all of that now?
But ultimately it's not up to them, that's what the board is for. They may have decided it's time for a paradigm shift to keep shareholder value from stagnating long-term. If you try to read the tea leaves, top management behavior hints that something is up, and that's even been observed by outsiders (media). Golden parachutes would be used to retain top leadership who *know* that their jobs are being auctioned off... any golden parachutes lately?
From a management perspective, the best way to ensure their own long-term job security is to have a "captive board", that is one where all of the personalities are beholden to the operational management in one way or another, by friendship if nothing else. How captive is the AS board right now? Lots of locals boys and girls (the kind with MBA's from lower southeast tacoma community college) would hint at captive. BT's departure hints at maybe not so captive.
makes no sense. A three way linkup between as/JetBlue/spirit would never be approved. JetBlue/spirit likely will never be approved. Alaska has a better shot of doj approval..but based on JetBlue wants and how little alaska likes to budge on their brand identity/ control, I don’t ever see a merger happening (even though route structure wise it makes the most sense).
If I were on the board, I'd be worried about getting outclassed by everybody else and eventual shrinkage and stock collapse.
A B6/AS merger would preserve what they have, open new horizons, and grant larger economy of scale. As well as moving up into a competitive weight class.
A sale to SWA would simply be cashing out the brand, culture, and HQ for a premium share price.
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#700
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AS still wants a shot at brand survival ship. Our EVP’s would like to have the reigns of the new entity, and their vision is a SEA HQ company. Unsolicited Cash offer is their only way forward.
They need about 8B to pull this off… That’s a lot capital to raise.
They need about 8B to pull this off… That’s a lot capital to raise.
Last edited by OTZeagle1; 04-08-2022 at 09:06 AM.


