Again: This contract better be amazing AF considering our likely seniority progression for the duration of the JCBA

 

The airline just made a huge aircraft purchase and has basically laid out its short-term plan through 2030. You just saw the commitment. This airline is committed to Boeing. They could buy Spirit tomorrow and trust me when I say this, those Airbuses would go away eventually. The former President of Alaska is on the BOD at Boeing. The Amazon contract will for sure go away, I would bet my licenses on it. The next sure bet is that this airline will be a Boeing airline more than likely. The only variable is the island flying and even then I think we see the 717 replaced with 737s

 

We had the same hopes on the VX side. The argument that the leases were unfavorable was a crappy one. The aircraft were sold; we could have been the buyer, or leases renegotiated. Alaska has had two chances to diversify its fleet, and although I think they are taking several necessary pages from the HAL playbook, a diversified fleet is not going to be one of them.

 

A huge order that isn't so huge once you look into it just slightly.

They can go all Boeing and we can muddle along- Displacing and waiting.

Or we could diversify and actually have a growth plan to match the rhetoric.

This insider relationship isn't the best for the pilots or the bottom line. But I bet it's great for the 19th hole.

 

if after SLI his seniority is higher than yours, barring fences, yes.

HA doesn’t have a wholly owned subsidiary consisting of AZ pilots. We also don’t have a separate seniority list, we have a CVG base, that is all.

All names will be removed from the integration, The chips will fall where they may. There may or may not be fences towards the 737. If not, and an AZ pilot has to bid 737, that is what will happen if they can hold it. Same with AS pilots if there are no widebody fences and a displacement should happen.

If the #1 AZ pilot happened to be the #1 senior HA pilot, by your logic he will fall behind other HA pilots simply because he chose to go to CVG instead of commuting to HNL? ( or he really liked all the soft money)

I’m no HA cheerleader, but your logic is flawed in that you aren’t understanding the AZ contract doesn’t make them ACMI pilots in the context of legacy airline benefits and work rules. They work under the best freight rules in the industry and are amongst the highest paid vs. FDX/UPS.

You can keep wishing the AZ pilots will suffer seniority losses, it’s just not gonna happen. They aren’t putting names or current job titles into SLI. It’s “X” number of slots. There is no windfall if you are a Cpt vs FO or AZ pilot vs pax pilot. Thats why there is no need for an FO to go to the left seat before integration to secure they reap more benefits of seniority

 

Concerning JCBA: I hope we get a kickass one that raises the bar for everyone else. (and make sure we have snap up)

Concerning SLI: I hope it goes to arbitration that follows ALPA merger guidelines so everyone is equally unhappy - but can't blame each other.

And then I hope all of us have a long and profitable career.

 

The mock SLI posted on Alyeska is concerning. I’m honestly surprised the union is allowing someone to publish a speculative seniority integration using what appears to be membership data. Putting out an unofficial “mock” list feels unnecessary and inflammatory it’s almost guaranteed to create anxiety and division among pilots.

What bothers me even more is the data side of it. Requiring an @alaska email to sign up means a third party is collecting and storing verified company email addresses tied to membership information. That’s not something I’m comfortable with. Even if you don’t actively sign up, it sounds like your information may already exist in their database, which raises real privacy and security questions.

His project seems like it croses the line from “helpful tool” into “unauthorized data use,” and I’m surprised the union hasn’t stepped in. I may reach out to them directly to make sure they’re aware it exists.

 

Yes if that pilot could hold a relatively higher percentage of CA seat on our pax flying than you can in your seat.

Again your question is overly simplistic and meant to provoke me.

 

I’m pointing out the flaw of the “financially distressed” argument. Your response to that is to call me crazy.

 

It’s very convenient to call us a crappy ACMI. In reality the 330F pilots are the highest paid cargo pilots in the industry. Also the only widebody freight pilots to fly under part 117 (i think sun country does 117 for amazon). Definitely a superior W2 and QOL when compared to legacy AS flying.