View Poll Results: Will the TA Pass?
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#101
Maybe try typing that in the morning after you're done drowning your sorrows...
Funny you should say that. We had the largest picket in single location in Dallas in June. Over 1300 pilots out picketing. Check it out...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ME8NtFnIKLc
Something else, I admire you guys putting up very impressive pickets and a strike vote. But instead of capitalizing on it, you're choking. And to make matters worse, you seem to take issue with pilots from other airlines pointing out that you're better than this offer.
No one who comes here and tells you you deserve better is your enemy. Personally, I think you've been in a highly abusive relationship for far too long, and I'm here to effectively cheer you on in pointing out that this is the time to get yours. Instead of looking at this for what it is - a fellow pilot telling you you're better than that and that in this environment, you're choosing to look at those pilots as your enemy. That's what battered spouses do. They support their abusers and anyone pointing out to them that they can do better is their enemy.
That's sad.
Funny you should say that. We had the largest picket in single location in Dallas in June. Over 1300 pilots out picketing. Check it out...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ME8NtFnIKLc
Something else, I admire you guys putting up very impressive pickets and a strike vote. But instead of capitalizing on it, you're choking. And to make matters worse, you seem to take issue with pilots from other airlines pointing out that you're better than this offer.
No one who comes here and tells you you deserve better is your enemy. Personally, I think you've been in a highly abusive relationship for far too long, and I'm here to effectively cheer you on in pointing out that this is the time to get yours. Instead of looking at this for what it is - a fellow pilot telling you you're better than that and that in this environment, you're choosing to look at those pilots as your enemy. That's what battered spouses do. They support their abusers and anyone pointing out to them that they can do better is their enemy.
That's sad.
Here’s the thing dude. Your encouragement is buried in a mountain of condescension. And maybe…. once you and your union have earned it, you can swing back by and tell us again what losers us, our NC, our MEC, our LEC’s and our pilots are…. But, you haven’t….. not yet anyway.
#102
Line Holder
Joined: Feb 2015
Posts: 87
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From: Back of the Bus
1300??? Dude we had 1500 out of around 3000 spread out over 5 bases. Biggest picket in ALPA history.
Here’s the thing dude. Your encouragement is buried in a mountain of condescension. And maybe…. once you and your union have earned it, you can swing back by and tell us again what losers us, our NC, our MEC, our LEC’s and our pilots are…. But, you haven’t….. not yet anyway.
Here’s the thing dude. Your encouragement is buried in a mountain of condescension. And maybe…. once you and your union have earned it, you can swing back by and tell us again what losers us, our NC, our MEC, our LEC’s and our pilots are…. But, you haven’t….. not yet anyway.
goes back to eating Dickies baked potato with extra jalapeńos
#103
I worked at Alaska this TA has some good stuff and some average stuff… it’s nice to see a scheduling change but it’s just a copy paste of the big three with some other new pieces that could be good but until proven it’s nothing. The real issue is the no retro low pay rates and low 401k with some mixed reserve language that until proven in 18 months means nothing. Good start but a solid NO for me if I was still there. Every person has a vote if they’re happy with it more power to them, my selfish self would say it’s a hinderance to my new company but I’m not worried about what others do Y’all can average up to the rest and call it a day.
#104
Gets Weekend Reserve
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 4,259
Likes: 241
From: B737CA
Here’s the thing dude. Your encouragement is buried in a mountain of condescension. And maybe…. once you and your union have earned it, you can swing back by and tell us again what losers us, our NC, our MEC, our LEC’s and our pilots are…. But, you haven’t….. not yet anyway.
And no, I didn't say you're losers. I said you're accepting a subpar offer when you don't need to be, after being abused for decades.
#105
On Reserve
Joined: Mar 2019
Posts: 42
Likes: 2
You're right. I don't work for Alaska, and believe me, I'm glad I don't... I work for Southwest which I've mentioned many times.
I also wouldn't give two sh*ts if you're paid in peanuts or soybeans. My problem is that pattern bargaining affects us all, and you are agreeing to:
1) Take a pay cut instead of getting a pay raise given the inflation rates.
2) You're promoting the company dragging their feet in future negotiations by not insisting on full retro. In fact, you're financially rewarding them for dragging their feet.
And in doing all that, especially in this pilot market, you're making our NC's job of securing an industry-leading contract that much tougher.
You're worth more... now if you could only actually believe it, everyone would be better off.
I also wouldn't give two sh*ts if you're paid in peanuts or soybeans. My problem is that pattern bargaining affects us all, and you are agreeing to:
1) Take a pay cut instead of getting a pay raise given the inflation rates.
2) You're promoting the company dragging their feet in future negotiations by not insisting on full retro. In fact, you're financially rewarding them for dragging their feet.
And in doing all that, especially in this pilot market, you're making our NC's job of securing an industry-leading contract that much tougher.
You're worth more... now if you could only actually believe it, everyone would be better off.
lol. You guys were having trouble negotiating before this new TA. Maybe try blaming YOUR company for that instead of Alaska and it’s pilot group.
you’re kinda slow for how condescending you act. Work on your logic and reasoning skills before you start calling out another pilot group for poor decision making. Thx partner’ 🤠 💙💛❤️
#107
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Feb 2020
Posts: 103
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The TA has some good nuggets but it certainly does not raise the bar for our peers. Instead of doing the work ourselves we are relying on 5 airlines to “snap up.” We need to send this back for another round of negotiations.
#109
Banned
Joined: May 2018
Posts: 1,241
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Oh yeah, thanks for that, it’s actually slightly different then you imply, but of course you already know that. Your a big shot SWA pilot now and you let everyone know, every day! Pretty comical, a couple of SWA bubbas grandstanding, arguing about size in another airlines anonymous web board, really. Why are you and RJ still here again🤔, your here to talk about our TA? Like an airline you don’t work for… rates, retro, scope that you will never work under and your still here talking about size. Seriously, do you two know how to read a room? Both of you are like two dudes at a black tie event wearing boat shoes, black socks pulled up to your knees, paired with cargo shorts. Are you two seriously still here? Ask yourselves, who asked for your opinions, what qualifies either of you as experts on anything, especially with regard to another carriers contract.
You two want to help the AS pilot group about as much as a used car salesman wants to help a 19 year old buying her first car. Get lost!
Hey, and when two you leave could you grab “brown easy no” by the arm and walk him out too. He has been lost, for sometime, roaming our halls “thinking”😂, seriously I think he might need help, he is real Delta, hired not acquired. Yes, you three will get along great. Thanks in advance, that’s a real solid, he has great ideas, just like you two.
You two want to help the AS pilot group about as much as a used car salesman wants to help a 19 year old buying her first car. Get lost!
Hey, and when two you leave could you grab “brown easy no” by the arm and walk him out too. He has been lost, for sometime, roaming our halls “thinking”😂, seriously I think he might need help, he is real Delta, hired not acquired. Yes, you three will get along great. Thanks in advance, that’s a real solid, he has great ideas, just like you two.
Last edited by OTZeagle1; 09-27-2022 at 09:51 PM.
#110
I don’t work for SWA… since I left I’ve had multiple PM’s from people asking me to help them get on at the cross town airline, last I counted I’ve had 4 since this TA came out and one starts this week who’s dad was a Eskimo legacy and encouraged him to leave.
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