Was it a good deal?
12-26-2022, 05:08 AM
#381
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Originally Posted by Carebear
The 18% voted down a contract that has insane scheduling rules. Delay pay, 200% for not getting home on first legal deadhead, 150% reassignment pay.
After this ice storm, I’m hearing guys having 70 hour 4 days. Guys who were supposed to fly sea to lax going sea to las so their entire 20 hour pairing is now worth 30. They get back 18 hours later and tack on an additional 8 hours of delay pay making it 38. Contractual max is 14 hour duty day so they ask for a deadhead next day to get released and hop on another flight to get home extend the delay pay another 12 hours for 6 hours of pay for 44.
The devil is in the details.
After this ice storm, I’m hearing guys having 70 hour 4 days. Guys who were supposed to fly sea to lax going sea to las so their entire 20 hour pairing is now worth 30. They get back 18 hours later and tack on an additional 8 hours of delay pay making it 38. Contractual max is 14 hour duty day so they ask for a deadhead next day to get released and hop on another flight to get home extend the delay pay another 12 hours for 6 hours of pay for 44.
The devil is in the details.
12-26-2022, 08:04 AM
#382
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Originally Posted by Carebear
The 18% voted down a contract that has insane scheduling rules. Delay pay, 200% for not getting home on first legal deadhead, 150% reassignment pay.
After this ice storm, I’m hearing guys having 70 hour 4 days. Guys who were supposed to fly sea to lax going sea to las so their entire 20 hour pairing is now worth 30. They get back 18 hours later and tack on an additional 8 hours of delay pay making it 38. Contractual max is 14 hour duty day so they ask for a deadhead next day to get released and hop on another flight to get home extend the delay pay another 12 hours for 6 hours of pay for 44.
The devil is in the details.
After this ice storm, I’m hearing guys having 70 hour 4 days. Guys who were supposed to fly sea to lax going sea to las so their entire 20 hour pairing is now worth 30. They get back 18 hours later and tack on an additional 8 hours of delay pay making it 38. Contractual max is 14 hour duty day so they ask for a deadhead next day to get released and hop on another flight to get home extend the delay pay another 12 hours for 6 hours of pay for 44.
The devil is in the details.
12-26-2022, 08:05 AM
#383
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Originally Posted by Carebear
The 18% voted down a contract that has insane scheduling rules. Delay pay, 200% for not getting home on first legal deadhead, 150% reassignment pay.
After this ice storm, I’m hearing guys having 70 hour 4 days. Guys who were supposed to fly sea to lax going sea to las so their entire 20 hour pairing is now worth 30. They get back 18 hours later and tack on an additional 8 hours of delay pay making it 38. Contractual max is 14 hour duty day so they ask for a deadhead next day to get released and hop on another flight to get home extend the delay pay another 12 hours for 6 hours of pay for 44.
The devil is in the details.
After this ice storm, I’m hearing guys having 70 hour 4 days. Guys who were supposed to fly sea to lax going sea to las so their entire 20 hour pairing is now worth 30. They get back 18 hours later and tack on an additional 8 hours of delay pay making it 38. Contractual max is 14 hour duty day so they ask for a deadhead next day to get released and hop on another flight to get home extend the delay pay another 12 hours for 6 hours of pay for 44.
The devil is in the details.
If you think our new rules are "insane"....your head will explode when you see what UAL, pilots were making during various melt downs over the years... 300-350% Oh, and that's under their very old and very extended contract.
12-26-2022, 08:13 AM
#384
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The question was if 90-100 was the pinnacle. There used to be no rescheduling pay, no delay pay, no first deadhead penalty and no 200% pay. So the answer is 90-100 is no longer the pinnacle. Other airlines aren’t just creating lines that pay 300%, and also take people working the system to achieve it.
12-26-2022, 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Carebear
The question was if 90-100 was the pinnacle. There used to be no rescheduling pay, no delay pay, no first deadhead penalty and no 200% pay. So the answer is 90-100 is no longer the pinnacle. Other airlines aren’t just creating lines that pay 300%, and also take people working the system to achieve it.
Second, do you think AS "created" 200% lines? No, it took a total meltdown and that's what we're talking about here.
Also, the return to base within 5 hours WAS in the old contract. It still has to be "FIST LEGAL OPPORTUNITY". Just because you get back at +5 hours, doesn't mean it triggers 150% or 200%. Being that there were many weather induced cxls, there will be a lot of pilots who will not be getting the added pay outside of delay pay. Crew pay WILL fight that fight.
So yeah....the devil IS in the details....
12-26-2022, 06:13 PM
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I wish ALPA would scrub names and publish numbers for 2022. The most clueless on here would be absolutely shocked! $561,000, I have 9,200 that went into my 401k that was NOT included (which is the max for an option A guy) My W2 will be around 530,000 as medical and personal 401k contributions are not taxed, so not included in W2 earnings. Many made more than me! But yes it is really hard to make more than 90-100 hours of credit at Alaska.🤔 Almost all of that money was made under the old contract. What can a AS pilot make now😱
Remember, all the 2nd year SWA FO’s make more then AS captains…”It’s all about their work rules”
Remember, all the 2nd year SWA FO’s make more then AS captains…”It’s all about their work rules”
Last edited by OTZeagle1; 12-26-2022 at 06:32 PM.
12-26-2022, 09:21 PM
#387
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Originally Posted by OTZeagle1
I wish ALPA would scrub names and publish numbers for 2022. The most clueless on here would be absolutely shocked! $561,000, I have 9,200 that went into my 401k that was NOT included (which is the max for an option A guy) My W2 will be around 530,000 as medical and personal 401k contributions are not taxed, so not included in W2 earnings. Many made more than me! But yes it is really hard to make more than 90-100 hours of credit at Alaska.🤔 Almost all of that money was made under the old contract. What can a AS pilot make now😱
Remember, all the 2nd year SWA FO’s make more then AS captains…”It’s all about their work rules”
Remember, all the 2nd year SWA FO’s make more then AS captains…”It’s all about their work rules”
12-26-2022, 09:51 PM
#388
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Originally Posted by OTZeagle1
I wish ALPA would scrub names and publish numbers for 2022. The most clueless on here would be absolutely shocked! $561,000, I have 9,200 that went into my 401k that was NOT included (which is the max for an option A guy) My W2 will be around 530,000 as medical and personal 401k contributions are not taxed, so not included in W2 earnings. Many made more than me! But yes it is really hard to make more than 90-100 hours of credit at Alaska.🤔 Almost all of that money was made under the old contract. What can a AS pilot make now😱
Remember, all the 2nd year SWA FO’s make more then AS captains…”It’s all about their work rules”
Remember, all the 2nd year SWA FO’s make more then AS captains…”It’s all about their work rules”
Give it a rest.
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