The Alaska discount is alive and well
01-23-2023, 02:41 PM
#81
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Originally Posted by echelon
What would you, a line pilot with an entire 6mo's of airline experience, know about what this company's management "is happy" spending money on?
They implemented the hotel policy as a way to incentivize pilots to cover flying on days off because their staffing is perpetually underwater and they got desperate enough to do something that resembles helping pilots.
If they were "happy" helping pilots that "legitimately need it," maybe they would have offered to make the policy permanent by putting it in the CBA? 🤔
But keep licking their boots, they really do care about you!
They implemented the hotel policy as a way to incentivize pilots to cover flying on days off because their staffing is perpetually underwater and they got desperate enough to do something that resembles helping pilots.
If they were "happy" helping pilots that "legitimately need it," maybe they would have offered to make the policy permanent by putting it in the CBA? 🤔
But keep licking their boots, they really do care about you!
My point was laziness and pure lack of regard for the hotel commuter program is what is going to make it go away.
Yet you’ll blame the big bad ‘company’ for taking it away, when in reality it will be from those that abuse it…
01-23-2023, 04:54 PM
#82
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Originally Posted by FreqFlyer
Keep puffing your chest out to make you feel better bro.
My point was laziness and pure lack of regard for the hotel commuter program is what is going to make it go away.
Yet you’ll blame the big bad ‘company’ for taking it away, when in reality it will be from those that abuse it…
My point was laziness and pure lack of regard for the hotel commuter program is what is going to make it go away.
Yet you’ll blame the big bad ‘company’ for taking it away, when in reality it will be from those that abuse it…
01-23-2023, 04:57 PM
#83
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Originally Posted by FreqFlyer
Keep puffing your chest out to make you feel better bro.
My point was laziness and pure lack of regard for the hotel commuter program is what is going to make it go away.
Yet you’ll blame the big bad ‘company’ for taking it away, when in reality it will be from those that abuse it…
My point was laziness and pure lack of regard for the hotel commuter program is what is going to make it go away.
Yet you’ll blame the big bad ‘company’ for taking it away, when in reality it will be from those that abuse it…
01-23-2023, 05:06 PM
#84
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Originally Posted by 9mikemike
Pure myth you are spouting. Typical of the Hat Band crowd. You guys are what make Alaska Airlines not a career destination but just a flying job…Of course when the majority of pilots are based in one place you are just going to have incest and incest breeds your kind of thinking…To be expected, nothing to see here
Instead, as expected you purely want to bash the company for something that they instituted, yet is being abused by the very pilots they instituted it for. All I am saying is at this point if it goes away, you ain’t got the company to blame…
You hater’s are literally your own worst enemy….it’a
Freakin hilarious 😂😆😢
01-23-2023, 05:08 PM
#85
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
No storms:
January 15 days off (including 5 vacation days). 15 days of line flying. One of those was a day trip that was cancelled, made PCM but not used. So for all practical purposes, 14 days of physical flying and 16 days of not physically flying.
Total pay for January = 108.5 hrs credit.
Yeah, Alaska sucks
February, no vacation, no training, just a normal full month:
By *choice* 17 days of flying, 13 days off, 102 credit.
Looking at the reserve grid, I can drop 6 days of work and go to 19 days off, 11 days of flying and settle for 71 hrs credit. (CA rsv coverage is very good in my base these days).
And none of this is 150% or 200% Premium. This is all just normal flight pay, normal trips.
January 15 days off (including 5 vacation days). 15 days of line flying. One of those was a day trip that was cancelled, made PCM but not used. So for all practical purposes, 14 days of physical flying and 16 days of not physically flying.
Total pay for January = 108.5 hrs credit.
Yeah, Alaska sucks
February, no vacation, no training, just a normal full month:
By *choice* 17 days of flying, 13 days off, 102 credit.
Looking at the reserve grid, I can drop 6 days of work and go to 19 days off, 11 days of flying and settle for 71 hrs credit. (CA rsv coverage is very good in my base these days).
And none of this is 150% or 200% Premium. This is all just normal flight pay, normal trips.
01-23-2023, 05:11 PM
#86
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Originally Posted by FreqFlyer
Keep puffing your chest out to make you feel better bro.
My point was laziness and pure lack of regard for the hotel commuter program is what is going to make it go away.
Yet you’ll blame the big bad ‘company’ for taking it away, when in reality it will be from those that abuse it…
My point was laziness and pure lack of regard for the hotel commuter program is what is going to make it go away.
Yet you’ll blame the big bad ‘company’ for taking it away, when in reality it will be from those that abuse it…
01-23-2023, 05:21 PM
#87
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Originally Posted by FreqFlyer
I’m not sure why you think I am lying exactly, like I said it’s not a secret.
Instead, as expected you purely want to bash the company for something that they instituted, yet is being abused by the very pilots they instituted it for. All I am saying is at this point if it goes away, you ain’t got the company to blame…
You hater’s are literally your own worst enemy….it’a
Freakin hilarious 😂😆😢
Instead, as expected you purely want to bash the company for something that they instituted, yet is being abused by the very pilots they instituted it for. All I am saying is at this point if it goes away, you ain’t got the company to blame…
You hater’s are literally your own worst enemy….it’a
Freakin hilarious 😂😆😢
01-23-2023, 05:23 PM
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I think FreqFlyer is actually Uncle Ben’s love-child, and that Shy guy…is just a sheep in sheep’s clothing. Between the two of them on this board we see with a crystalline clarity that we alone are the reason we’ll never be industry standard-bearers.
01-23-2023, 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by 9mikemike
Did I bash the company…..No, but what you are spouting is a myth. That is straight from the VP of Fl Ops mouth…..Lets see, ex mil or ex corporate left seat. One of those two you are
So you’re that close to the VP of FL Ops to ask them about what I posted about an hour ago already? What are you neighbors, or just work in the office next to his?
Last edited by FreqFlyer; 01-23-2023 at 05:36 PM.
01-23-2023, 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
No. I've rebutted it, it's just going back and forth with no mutual accepting of each other's answer.
He claims on one hand that AS would never step up to the plate and negotiate fairly and do the right thing (as history has shown, he points out), but somehow if we purposefully told our union to stall negotiations and delay even more (which was the #1 complaint we had that led to march), that Delta would get 337 first and then AS would be forced to pay us that. Sure, Delta sets the new industry top rate. But NOTHING his side provides proves why AS would come close to that rate. Why should they? Why would they? Thy only answer given was "that's the new industry top rate." Ok. So what? The industry top rate was 285 before this, and AS stopped (via an arbitration btw) at 266. Fact. Delta getting 337 this year would not mean AS signs at 337 this year. To state otherwise is pure speculation.
He claims on one hand that AS would never step up to the plate and negotiate fairly and do the right thing (as history has shown, he points out), but somehow if we purposefully told our union to stall negotiations and delay even more (which was the #1 complaint we had that led to march), that Delta would get 337 first and then AS would be forced to pay us that. Sure, Delta sets the new industry top rate. But NOTHING his side provides proves why AS would come close to that rate. Why should they? Why would they? Thy only answer given was "that's the new industry top rate." Ok. So what? The industry top rate was 285 before this, and AS stopped (via an arbitration btw) at 266. Fact. Delta getting 337 this year would not mean AS signs at 337 this year. To state otherwise is pure speculation.
JL's only regret is that there weren't another 2000 pilots just like you. He'd have his pic on top of the wall of legends, wearing a wreath of laurels and hailed by management as a returning conqueror. But instead, he went back to "doing what he loves most", flying the line and spending more time with his family.
Why aren't we getting $280/hr right now? That's what they wanted to pay us. If, as you say, the company has no incentive to pay an industry wage, then why aren't we getting $280/hr?
You mentioned something about being a Monday morning quarterback in a previous post. Me thinks you're not quite familiar with what that means.
-Voting yes on a contract and then picking it apart after it's passage would be akin to "Monday morning quarterbacking"
-Vocalizing all the shortcomings and predicting the obvious outcome of getting passed by a country mile by every company signing new contracts, before a CBA is even a TA......that's not called Monday morning quarterbacking, that's just called reading.
