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Old 03-19-2017, 06:23 PM   #2191  
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Funny in Momentum the VP flt ops was asked about their predominantly non-commutable schedules with many early starts/late finishes, and he responded that AS knows and has commuters in their LAX base.

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It's amazing how horrible their schedules are. 85 years of being a "legacy", yet the schedules are worse than regionals. Time to put our foot down in the jcba. A 40% pay increase won't make up for 4-6 more days of work.
With how JCBA negotiations are going, I cringe to think of how the LOA for scheduling improvements is going
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Old 03-23-2017, 12:37 AM   #2192  
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Since every airline is different, how long does it take an FO to hold full weekends off?
Just my perspective.

I have just cracked the top 150 in SEA (over 10 yrs) and I can only hold ALL weekends off if there is somethung seriously wrong with the line (red eyes, early shows, 12 days off, etc.). You have two strategies when bidding at Alaska in SEA as a 10 year FO wanting weekends off. You can either bid absolute crap trips with your weekends off. Or you can bid nice trips with some of your days off (i.e sundays off) and hope you can trade. The later strategy works better if you would like weekends off but you don't NEED weekends off. If you need weekends off (like me-I have a wife that works weekends with no family around for babysitting) you end up flying lots of crap trips because trading...especially for weekends off is far from reliable. The pilots that are initially holding descent trips AND weekends off are easily 15 years plus. As far as flying turns with weekends....hahahaha.
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Old 03-23-2017, 02:02 AM   #2193  
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Just my perspective.

I have just cracked the top 150 in SEA (over 10 yrs) and I can only hold ALL weekends off if there is somethung seriously wrong with the line (red eyes, early shows, 12 days off, etc.). You have two strategies when bidding at Alaska in SEA as a 10 year FO wanting weekends off. You can either bid absolute crap trips with your weekends off. Or you can bid nice trips with some of your days off (i.e sundays off) and hope you can trade. The later strategy works better if you would like weekends off but you don't NEED weekends off. If you need weekends off (like me-I have a wife that works weekends with no family around for babysitting) you end up flying lots of crap trips because trading...especially for weekends off is far from reliable. The pilots that are initially holding descent trips AND weekends off are easily 15 years plus. As far as flying turns with weekends....hahahaha.
Head shake head shake. That is aweful. So how many days are you typically getting off?
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Old 03-23-2017, 06:27 AM   #2194  
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How often to Alaska line holders get 16-18 days off?
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Old 03-23-2017, 12:20 PM   #2195  
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How often to Alaska line holders get 16-18 days off?
Just glance through an AS bid packet.

Actually.... don't
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Just my perspective.

I have just cracked the top 150 in SEA (over 10 yrs) and I can only hold ALL weekends off if there is somethung seriously wrong with the line (red eyes, early shows, 12 days off, etc.). You have two strategies when bidding at Alaska in SEA as a 10 year FO wanting weekends off. You can either bid absolute crap trips with your weekends off. Or you can bid nice trips with some of your days off (i.e sundays off) and hope you can trade. The later strategy works better if you would like weekends off but you don't NEED weekends off. If you need weekends off (like me-I have a wife that works weekends with no family around for babysitting) you end up flying lots of crap trips because trading...especially for weekends off is far from reliable. The pilots that are initially holding descent trips AND weekends off are easily 15 years plus. As far as flying turns with weekends....hahahaha.
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Old 03-23-2017, 03:35 PM   #2197  
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Just my perspective.

I have just cracked the top 150 in SEA (over 10 yrs) and I can only hold ALL weekends off if there is somethung seriously wrong with the line (red eyes, early shows, 12 days off, etc.). You have two strategies when bidding at Alaska in SEA as a 10 year FO wanting weekends off. You can either bid absolute crap trips with your weekends off. Or you can bid nice trips with some of your days off (i.e sundays off) and hope you can trade. The later strategy works better if you would like weekends off but you don't NEED weekends off. If you need weekends off (like me-I have a wife that works weekends with no family around for babysitting) you end up flying lots of crap trips because trading...especially for weekends off is far from reliable. The pilots that are initially holding descent trips AND weekends off are easily 15 years plus. As far as flying turns with weekends....hahahaha.
How many F/Os in SEA?

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Old 03-24-2017, 04:10 PM   #2198  
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How often to Alaska line holders get 16-18 days off?
In LAX for April there were 80 lines. 1 has 17 days off and 9 have 16 days off.

In SEA for April there were 352 lines. 6 have 20 days off, 4 have 17 days off, 48 lines have 16 days off.
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In LAX for April there were 80 lines. 1 has 17 days off and 9 have 16 days off.

In SEA for April there were 352 lines. 6 have 20 days off, 4 have 17 days off, 48 lines have 16 days off.
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Old 03-24-2017, 08:22 PM   #2200  
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In LAX for April there were 80 lines. 1 has 17 days off and 9 have 16 days off.

In SEA for April there were 352 lines. 6 have 20 days off, 4 have 17 days off, 48 lines have 16 days off.
So what do the other 294 lines in SEA have off? 15... 14 less? If so how does anyone commute?
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