Alaska Air Hiring
03-21-2019 | 02:35 PM
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Delta reserves get days off, number of days off varies by the average line value for that month as well as percentage of category on reserve (more reserves net you an extra day off). Some categories had 15 days off for reserves for April. SEA 737 was at 13 (the minimum for a 30 or 31 day month). Reserve still didn't reach the plug in the category. Delta also allows you to put as many days of reserve together as you want, so those 13-15 days off can be in one block. The company will assign extra time off as needed to maintain legality (usually a day and a half off every 3-4 days to keep you legal for 4 day trips). All reserves are long call, you can only be escalated to short call 6 times in a month. Short call call-out is "proximate to the airport." That is generally understood to be within around 2 hrs in ok traffic, rush hour it's whenever you can, there is no hard limit. If you are escalated to short call and not used you get an extra hour of credit added.
I have 17 days off next month (counting 2 5am releases and an 11pm show as work days) at around 77 hours credit. Commutability varies by base and base makeup (bases with more commuters tend to get more commutable trips). Next month I have what I think will be my first trip at the company that isn't commutable on the back end if I don't swap it (there is one in open time I can swap with). I'm around 85% seniority in Seattle. The plug in Seattle has a 16 day off line at 75 hrs credit for April, 10 from the bottom has 18 days off at 75 hrs credit on a front loaded schedule (off from the 17th on, the 1st of May is part of the April bid month).
It seems that the very top of the seniority list at Alaska holds a somewhat similar schedules to what we get at Delta, the big difference is with everyone else. Don't let Kotzebue discourage you from getting something better. He appears to have decided that getting any improvements will result in a pay loss for him and is focused on that.
I have 17 days off next month (counting 2 5am releases and an 11pm show as work days) at around 77 hours credit. Commutability varies by base and base makeup (bases with more commuters tend to get more commutable trips). Next month I have what I think will be my first trip at the company that isn't commutable on the back end if I don't swap it (there is one in open time I can swap with). I'm around 85% seniority in Seattle. The plug in Seattle has a 16 day off line at 75 hrs credit for April, 10 from the bottom has 18 days off at 75 hrs credit on a front loaded schedule (off from the 17th on, the 1st of May is part of the April bid month).
It seems that the very top of the seniority list at Alaska holds a somewhat similar schedules to what we get at Delta, the big difference is with everyone else. Don't let Kotzebue discourage you from getting something better. He appears to have decided that getting any improvements will result in a pay loss for him and is focused on that.
I had no idea your schedules were so awesome over there, how do I apply. You realize I see your lines each and every month?
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03-21-2019 | 02:37 PM
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03-21-2019 | 02:42 PM
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OTZ..... fake news? Or just irrelevant because A. You’ve only lived in negotiation dynamic that leads with “what are we gonna have to give up?” B. You don’t give rats a$$ about the bottom 20%
Btw... you’re right.... they don’t want commuters. Unfortunately for them (and possibly YOU), they bought about 800 of em with the VX purchase, and, also hired a decent amount of commuters last year, and prob will continue to as the supply of “qualified” pilots dwindles. You are fast becoming the minority my friend. That’s a fact.
Btw... you’re right.... they don’t want commuters. Unfortunately for them (and possibly YOU), they bought about 800 of em with the VX purchase, and, also hired a decent amount of commuters last year, and prob will continue to as the supply of “qualified” pilots dwindles. You are fast becoming the minority my friend. That’s a fact.
ALK is pretty smart. The votes don’t support you at all. Other the lip service, I assure you commutability is not even on the first page of what your union will be looking for as gains this time around. If you knew what I knew, I assure you, you would be shocked.
Remember the SLI, what were all you VXers saying..... relative plus or minus 3%. You were all 100% sure. I was clueless. What did I say? How did it turn out? Almost 70% of this company still drives to work. There is no changing tide. Ask Mea25000, he has even better gouge.
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03-21-2019 | 02:43 PM
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OTZ..... fake news? Or just irrelevant because A. You’ve only lived in negotiation dynamic that leads with “what are we gonna have to give up?” B. You don’t give rats a$$ about the bottom 20%
Btw... you’re right.... they don’t want commuters. Unfortunately for them (and possibly YOU), they bought about 800 of em with the VX purchase, and, also hired a decent amount of commuters last year, and prob will continue to as the supply of “qualified” pilots dwindles. You are fast becoming the minority my friend. That’s a fact.
Btw... you’re right.... they don’t want commuters. Unfortunately for them (and possibly YOU), they bought about 800 of em with the VX purchase, and, also hired a decent amount of commuters last year, and prob will continue to as the supply of “qualified” pilots dwindles. You are fast becoming the minority my friend. That’s a fact.
03-21-2019 | 02:45 PM
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Premium goes on top of the monthly max or if your smart the monthly minimum, you are only bound by FAR maximums.
03-21-2019 | 03:38 PM
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03-21-2019 | 04:23 PM
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Well, that's definitely a regional attitude "we don't need to improve schedules for pilots junior to me because they will be senior some day."
As much as I have no desire to agree with OTZ, and I don't know if it ever happened or not, I remember hearing that about VX when they started.
03-21-2019 | 04:43 PM
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I asked for those flights, if you see our lines every month you should have a better grasp of our schedules. I also said where I'm at on the seniority list in SEA. What kind of schedules do you get at 80% or higher at Alaska?
Well, that's definitely a regional attitude "we don't need to improve schedules for pilots junior to me because they will be senior some day."
As much as I have no desire to agree with OTZ, and I don't know if it ever happened or not, I remember hearing that about VX when they started.
Well, that's definitely a regional attitude "we don't need to improve schedules for pilots junior to me because they will be senior some day."
As much as I have no desire to agree with OTZ, and I don't know if it ever happened or not, I remember hearing that about VX when they started.
So how many times must I say
Top 10% of lines at ALK are better then Delta
90-20 % at both companies are the same
Bottom 20% are better at Delta.
That is my third time writing this
You know it’s just the nature of the beast. I wish we all made the same from day one. That’s just not how it works with seniority based employment. You make way more money year 12, more vacation, more days off, better schedule. You pay your dues, you climb the ladder. Sorry, that is just how it works, you should know that by now.
News flash socialism doesn’t work either... looks good on paper though
03-21-2019 | 09:47 PM
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There were a few things that the early VX management wanted to do "differently" as a start-up, and quite frankly in my opinion, probably "floated" some of those ideas out there just to see how they might be received.
Back then, management had a true open-door policy and as a result, they got a LOT of push-back EARLY and OFTEN from the pilots already on property, with regards to any proposed departure from de rigueur pilot expectations. To their credit, they listened...
So, despite what you heard, the idea of putting us back to Year 1 pay after upgrade was DOA.
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