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Old 03-11-2019, 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Baradium
Didn't you sell out the A-plan so the junior guys you are bragging about it for aren't getting it? Your last two sentences are quite ironic.



You have a 5:15 average daily min too? Didn't know that.

Seriously, my whole point is that there is room for improvement. Why not work towards it? I am well aware you are enjoying being the big rich fish...but I don't think getting our rules would hurt you at all. I have friends at Alaska and I really hope you can make improvements. It helps everyone but it also recognizes the hard work you do.
I appreciate you coming on here with some pushback. For too long these old timers have perpetuated the lies that the AS contract is on par with the big 3.

No, we don't have the same rigs. No, we don't make the same rates. Yes, you work longer days, fly more legs, sleep in worse hotels, have less time off, and are more prone to abuse for free than your peers.

Part of the culture here is gaslighting yourself and your coworkers. And if someone starts bringing up the inconsistencies they're told to "pipe down and focus on your family."

The first step to a better contract is admitting you have a problem.
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Old 03-11-2019, 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by OTZeagle1
I get it. You donít have to live in Seattle. Move 45 minutes south of SeaTac, you will find nice stuff 490-750. Doable for an FO... for the Captains in that same area they can find really nice places 750- 1.2. I am just giving you all honest good advice, this is a solvable problem.


My credit scores for the 3 different rating agencies were 780-800. I shopped around and found someone willing to write me a pre approval letter. I couldnít afford anything in the price range you mentioned.

But alas I must be lying...


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Old 03-11-2019, 11:17 PM
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Haha I still remember 1st yr A320 pay at $44/hr in 2012 and getting a pre-approval letter for a $139k loan in SFO. I felt so rich. I could actually choose the type of cardbox box I would live in: Corrugated or Paperboard.
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Old 03-12-2019, 12:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Baradium
You have a 5:15 average daily min too?
Just curious, is that averaged over the length of the trip, or does that mean you get at least 5:15 each calendar day just for showing up? In other words, Alaska has 5hr min per duty period but all it means is that if you have a trip with 2 duty periods it pays no less than 10hrs. So if you fly 6hrs on day 1 and 4hrs on day 2, the trip pays 10hrs, not 11.

Would the same trip at DL pay 10:30 or 11:15?
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Old 03-12-2019, 04:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Baradium
Didn't you sell out the A-plan so the junior guys you are bragging about it for aren't getting it? Your last two sentences are quite ironic.



You have a 5:15 average daily min too? Didn't know that.

We have a 5 hour average per day of duty, it needs to be a 5 hour a day guarantee and so does yours. But yeah I want 5:15!

Seriously, my whole point is that there is room for improvement. Why not work towards it? I am well aware you are enjoying being the big rich fish...but I don't think getting our rules would hurt you at all. I have friends at Alaska and I really hope you can make improvements. It helps everyone but it also recognizes the hard work you do.
Yes I personal made that happen! All my idea all my fault. I wish everyone at AS was still in it. It will pay me about 112% of my highest five out of 10 plus 3% 401k. Pretty good deal but I am sure yours is better!
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Old 03-12-2019, 04:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Baradium
I have 3 4 day trips this month crediting 76 hours and I'm junior. My point that 5 day trips can be nice doesn't mean that we have a ton of them. we just have some but only a few total anyway. Take a look at our schedules this month if you have so much access to them (obviously not if you think our lines are all 5 day trips). I've seen the schedules of those who are my seniority at AS, not even close. Of course that's because they are holding 12 days off of crappy reserve rules.

You said before you had a lot of money not from airline work, so don't try to play games pretending it is. I don't really care how loaded you are. You made a statement that the overall schedules aren't any different, and that is not correct and I am calling you on it. Just because your schedule may be close to the same (as much as I hear about massive disparity from senior to junior there I could believe it), doesn't mean that all the schedules are.

I never said you are working for a regional. I just said you all deserve better. I don't know why you hate the idea of trying to get contract parity so much. I never even said your life itself was bad.
I have 14 days off and a credit of 123... thatís a credit of 7.69 a day. Some of that is premium but still not terrible. I am not all that senior, I can only imagine my last 10 should be pretty good. I know how to win at our system, 30 days of vacation helps, 35 will soon be even better. I am working hard now but this summer I will give the company about thirty, but then I am only coming in at 400 an hour.

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Old 03-12-2019, 04:59 AM
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Originally Posted by echelon
Just curious, is that averaged over the length of the trip, or does that mean you get at least 5:15 each calendar day just for showing up? In other words, Alaska has 5hr min per duty period but all it means is that if you have a trip with 2 duty periods it pays no less than 10hrs. So if you fly 6hrs on day 1 and 4hrs on day 2, the trip pays 10hrs, not 11.

Would the same trip at DL pay 10:30 or 11:15?
Itís an AVERAGE and he is clueless
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Old 03-12-2019, 05:07 AM
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Originally Posted by WutFace
I appreciate you coming on here with some pushback. For too long these old timers have perpetuated the lies that the AS contract is on par with the big 3.

No, we don't have the same rigs. No, we don't make the same rates. Yes, you work longer days, fly more legs, sleep in worse hotels, have less time off, and are more prone to abuse for free than your peers.

Part of the culture here is gaslighting yourself and your coworkers. And if someone starts bringing up the inconsistencies they're told to "pipe down and focus on your family."

The first step to a better contract is admitting you have a problem.
he has come on here and only proved my point. They have the exact same duty rigs the only difference is a 5:15 AVERAGE daily and we have a 5:00 hr average duty. Yes theirs is slightly better. Their pay is 6% higher, their bonus is about 6% more. It is most certainly one of the best pilot jobs in the country. Their duty rigs are almost identical to ours! Your regional had better work rules right?

A friend 717 LAX FO 15 days off 79 hours of credit at Delta

Old Timers? My age would shock you. I still have more then two decades left at AS, I was fortunate to be hired very young

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Old 03-12-2019, 08:02 AM
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Your type is literally the reason that Alaskan is so far behind other airlines contracts and work rules.

It is seriously incredible how against improvement you are, you are very selfish.
Originally Posted by OTZeagle1
I have 14 days off and a credit of 123... thatís a credit of 7.69 a day. Some of that is premium but still not terrible. I am not all that senior, I can only imagine my last 10 should be pretty good. I know how to win at our system, 30 days of vacation helps, 35 will soon be even better. I am working hard now but this summer I will give the company about thirty, but then I am only coming in at 400 an hour.
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Old 03-12-2019, 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
Haha I still remember 1st yr A320 pay at $44/hr in 2012 and getting a pre-approval letter for a $139k loan in SFO. I felt so rich. I could actually choose the type of cardbox box I would live in: Corrugated or Paperboard.


That would maybe get you a 20% down in the greater Seattle area. But a lot closer to 10% Most people donít realize that for the middle class Seattle is actually higher priced that much of the SF Bay. Iím selling a 3 bedroom 2 bath in a nice part of the SF Bay for 751k. In the neighborhood where I am currently renting close to SEA, 2 bedroom and 1 bath is going for 775 and itís the only house available.

I think a lot of our more senior pilots canít wrap their head around the cost of living for all of our bases.

Bragging about your 1.4 milli house? It didnít cost that much when your bought it. You just got lucky...



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