PilotBases

If airlines are going to play the “we won’t take you back” game, then I would only resign one day before class. Why even quit with two weeks notice? Not like the “courtesy” matters to most scumbag regionals.

rickair7777

Careful, if you don't give the notice requested by the employer you'll be flagged as not eligible for re-hire. Major CJO's have been revoked in the past for leaving the previous employer on bad terms. "Bad Terms" is in the eye of the beholder and usually means doing something like no-show your last trip without calling in, etc.

That's why I like the idea of contractual snap-back provisions, that way there's no air gap or grey area. Otherwise making a job change can be nerve-wracking for a few weeks... don't do any recreational activities that might break bones after you resign, and drive carefully.

PilotBases

Right, but it has to be a two way street. My point being if airlines play the game of “you’re done because you gave notice and it fell through” they shouldn’t be surprised if people react accordingly. There were guys who were unemployed during covid because of that, if they waited until the last day, they’d have stayed in work.

rickair7777

It's not a two way street, it's their football so it's their game. Unless you get some contractual protection (just like everything else).

Back2future

For everyone that’s looking to come here it’s going to be some rough going for a long time.


Management representatives acknowledged the reasonableness of ALPA’s Section 1 proposals but rejected each and every one of its critical parts by saying repeatedly that the Company was not willing to give up future flexibility and its competitive advantage. More specifically, the Company

• Was unwilling to limit RJs to 76 seats and 86,000 (or agree to any seat limits at all)
• Rejected our proposal to establish a ratio of RJs to mainline aircraft
• Refused to confirm that Alaska Airlines flying would be performed with two seniority list pilots in the cockpit
• Opposed even liberal or relaxed code share provisions and would not even commit that Alaska Airlines would continue to grow and expand if code share agreements were entered
• Vetoed our proposal to require an agreement with us to establish “joint ventures” with other airlines (where the Company profits but no Alaska flying or pilots are required), and

Turned down the MEC’s proposals to protect Alaska pilots in a merger or transaction like the contract provisions that exist for other mainline carrier pilots.

flysnoopy76

For those looking at coming here, it’s an ok job if you live in base and understand the following:
1. Contract is subpar in almost all categories
-particularly poor in the areas of scope
which is nonexistent, work rules, and
scheduling
2. Growth is virtually nonexistent from a pilots viewpoint, yes seat numbers are increasing but airframe numbers are stagnant unless all max options are excercised some years into the future
3. Contract negotiations are going nowhere as mentioned in an earlier post in regard to cornerstone items. Expect a several year slog on this front.
it’s been said Alaska is an ok job when times are not good in the industry but when things are on the upswing there are certainly more attractive options.
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rmcbear08

If that’s how Section 1 negotiations are going, I can’t even imagine what Section 25 negotiations look like…

DaGreenBanana

Is this a real issue?

What’s wrong with the scheduling and work roles?

echelon

They just made it one by refusing to commit on paper to it NOT being an issue.

Ala5ka

Lol so what you’re saying is now 2 years into negotiations literally no headway has been made whatsoever.. that all this rv roadshow cookouts, unity talks, management is gonna pay this time talk etc talk has been fruitless? Shocking. This management group will not bend ever, nor do they have any reason to. For 84 years now Alaska pilots have buckled to management and they except nothing different. Alaska’s current contract will be in place for a long long time and any new agreement will provide minimal gains at the very best.

If you’re still on our list and can leave, blast those apps out. If you’re thinking of coming here, run fast the other direction. Your job as a regional captain is better in every way except hourly pay rate. Run run run.

also, this negotiation update was posted on our internal message board over a day ago. Since then only one response has been posted in disbelief about the ridiculous stance of management... that alone speaks volumes about the level of outrage and action our pilot group is willing to take. We get what we fight for, which yet again will be industry basement by a mile