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Old 06-19-2021, 06:04 AM   #4721  
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Under their purported claim of being commited to Corporate Social Responsibility (CSR), that is not their only job/responsibility.

Alaska Airlines touts themselves as a card carrying Corporate Social Responsibility (CSR) machine. CSR requires a company to take all their stakeholders into consideration, looking at fair employee compensation, etc and not just profitably at all cost.

In fact a commitment to CSR means that a company's measure of their success means not just looking at the Bottom line, but rather the Triple Bottom Line (TBL) as a measure of a company's true success. The three areas are Profitability, The Environment, and Social, of which employee well being, compensation is an important indicator.
I imagine they don't lose much sleep at night over CSR if their millionaire pilots have slightly smaller bank accounts than DAL's millionaire pilots... that's easy to rationalize, as long as the single moms in the bottom socio-economic demographic can feed their kids.
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Itís not the pay rate that is a big issue, the pay is good, not on the same rate as dal ual aa or SWA 737 rates but still good. The problem lies within the miserable work rules. The work rules in most ways are far worse than regional airlines.. the end result is having to be gone from home far more than other 737 pilots in the industry. Thatís the biggest inequity and not worth the strain the pay comes with..
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Old 06-25-2021, 06:27 PM   #4723  
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The good news is that there's plenty of premium for new hires to pick up lately. But, it goes surprisingly quick so you have to watch like a hawk....
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The good news is that there's plenty of premium for new hires to pick up lately. But, it goes surprisingly quick so you have to watch like a hawk....

Uuggggghhhhhhhh pain


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Old 06-27-2021, 08:59 AM   #4725  
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Can any of you guys speak to the amount of redeyes one can expect to fly on the 737 as a new hire? Additionally, would one likely be able to hold LAX immediately, or is Seattle more realistic? Iím assuming with the 320ís on the way out itís likely all Boeing for the new folksÖ
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Things were actually moving when I was hired. 2018. Unlike now or the future until we get some scope.

I had to spend two months in the red eye reserve zone. Itís the most brutal thing Iíve ever done. Youíll fly the FAI red eye turn. Itís horrible. You drive to work in commute traffic and then home during the morning commute traffic. I would regularly get 3 in a row pop up red eyes. Managing the fatigue is extremely difficult.

Also youíll get a strange breed of super senior guys that have very set and strange habits. A lot of the FOs with a line will call out sick from these trips. So they are pushed down to reserves often.

With 250 or likely less being hired in 21/2022 and zero scope I would plan on at least 6 months of this if not years.

20-30% of our lines are red eyes. So plan on that as a junior line holder. Also SE winter ops.

I canít speak for the other bases.


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Lax is junior base for AA, Delta, and UnitedÖ and no Fairbanks redeye turns lol. Also skywest flies a lot of Alaska routes that are mainline type trips.. even skywest would be better. Alaska is basically a regional feeder for Skywest.

Spend your energy and focus on going to one of those airlines and save yourself from coming to this hell hole
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Can any of you guys speak to the amount of redeyes one can expect to fly on the 737 as a new hire? Additionally, would one likely be able to hold LAX immediately, or is Seattle more realistic? Iím assuming with the 320ís on the way out itís likely all Boeing for the new folksÖ
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Itís amusing to me when I hear guys on the line say itís a no vote without industry leading scope. That will never happen. The company wonít even counter offer industry lagging scope, not to mention industry standard scope. They are intent on no scope. This contract negotiation is going to take many more years and I donít think our pilot group has the backbone to not cave.
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Things were actually moving when I was hired. 2018. Unlike now or the future until we get some scope.

I had to spend two months in the red eye reserve zone. Itís the most brutal thing Iíve ever done. Youíll fly the FAI red eye turn. Itís horrible. You drive to work in commute traffic and then home during the morning commute traffic. I would regularly get 3 in a row pop up red eyes. Managing the fatigue is extremely difficult.

Also youíll get a strange breed of super senior guys that have very set and strange habits. A lot of the FOs with a line will call out sick from these trips. So they are pushed down to reserves often.

With 250 or likely less being hired in 21/2022 and zero scope I would plan on at least 6 months of this if not years.

20-30% of our lines are red eyes. So plan on that as a junior line holder. Also SE winter ops.

I canít speak for the other bases.


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Itís amusing to me when I hear guys on the line say itís a no vote without industry leading scope. That will never happen. The company wonít even counter offer industry lagging scope, not to mention industry standard scope. They are intent on no scope. This contract negotiation is going to take many more years and I donít think our pilot group has the backbone to not cave.
That is one thing I know we finally do have. But, youíre right that it will be a long and ugly battle.
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Hope youíre right.. Iím not so confident. They will throw some carrots as distractions to improve QOL minimally in the long run. Hopefully without meaningful scope the group stays strong and doesnít get blinded by the allure of a few improvements
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That is one thing I know we finally do have. But, youíre right that it will be a long and ugly battle.
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