snackysmores

Which is why it would be a wasted effort for the company to fire them after paying for their expensive type ratings, there would also obviously be a reinstatement clause with back pay for any probationary pilot terminated for refusing to fly struck work once it was over.

The only planes flying would be flown by management and scabs.

WHACKMASTER

I’ve been on an extended strike once so I speak from that experience but also “traditionally” those on probation would not picket but most certainly not show up to fly struck work either. There are plenty of other duties to do during a strike that don’t involve picketing in your uniform such as helping to run the strike center.

The thing to keep in mind is that when your union finally reaches a deal with your company, it will most surely have a clause that any hostages that were taken by the company need to have their jobs reinstated. That’s almost a given during every strike.

rickair7777

MEC will make the call as to whether to continue training or not, and whether to cross the line. The catch is that IOE is still struck work, assuming they even have a LCA qualified management pilot or scab to sit in the left seat.

Also even if the MEC says it's OK, it might be better for long-term purposes to not fly anyway. If you're 50 y/o and the MEC says do it, sure, you're staying at AS anyway. But if you're 35 and hoping to go to a big major I'm not sure I'd want any muddy water about flying during a strike... it might be hard to wash that stink off even if it was technically approved.

For that reason IMO it would be best for the MEC to just tell the noobs to not fly at all. The union will get their jobs back, that's how it always works. If that's too nerve-wracking for you I would not take an AS class date until it's all resolved. But I cannot imagine a strike at a legacy, with near-full participation, lasting more than a few days. I'd be amazed if the company is stoopid enough to actually let it get that far... the damage to the brand and future bookings would be very high, even a single day of strike would have operational repercussions for a week. They'd probably lose $100M on day one. They're probably hanging their hat on the fed not releasing any airlines. Or M&A induced arbitration.

ImperialxRat

Thank you guys for setting me straight, that all makes good sense now, and I don’t want to be spreading bad info. Hopefully it doesn’t come to that.

HeadInTheTops

Lol, no. Flying during a strike just because you're on probation would be the dumbest way to start an airline career in the history of aviation. Particularly during this job market. The only people who would do the would probably be those quality individuals who would scab, regardless.

GoodJet

P2P volunteers and also mentors for new hires have gotten a lot of information from our union about new hires and strikes and also strikes in general. The last P2P call was focused on this subject. I can say without a doubt, do not get your information from APC forums. It's about as good as the M&A rumors and OTZ's predictions.

If you have any questions about a strike and you are a new hire: Speak with your ALPA assigned mentor. If you don't have a mentor and you read the last few pages of well.... very incorrect information you are welcome to PM me here and I can answer your questions.

05Duramax

Thanks for the replies! I’ll be applying to Alaska soon, and I know the chances of an actual strike, for a number of factors, is unlikely but being in class during such is a stressful thought. I would not be comfortable going to work in any capacity if a strike was going on.

rickair7777

If you have details, please share. There are people with class dates, CJOs, interview dates, and considering applying who don't have access to inside info, and don't know whether to apply or accept a job. I know this because I keep getting asked on the JS, in the terminal, on the bus, etc.

GoodJet

The biggest inaccuracy I saw here in regards to new hire can be paraphrased and corrected from the ALPA guidance with this statement:

ALPA recommends that new hire pilots complete training, OE and one revenue leg before participating in a strike. If the strike occurs during training, OE or the one revenue leg: ALPA recommends completing all steps including the one revenue leg before participating in a strike. New hire pilots are not "scabs" if they complete any of these steps during a strike and should not be worried about it.

I'm telling all of my mentees to just relax and enjoy training. ALPA will reach out to all probationary pilots probably through P2P volunteers and mentors to advise them during these strange times. Anyone who is considering working here should keep their eyes wide open in regards to working at Alaska Airlines but they should not be concerned about being a scab during their probationary year until they have completed one revenue trip.

ShyGuy

SFO D day May 14?

But that's a Saturday.