Don’t forget Spirit

 

You'll forgive me when I don't shed a tear for you.

You and other Gig Harborites were too busy playing slumlords and smelling each other's farts to pay attention to industry trends.

 

Let's add in a bunch of former ALPA negotiators, presidents, MEC chairs, LEC reps etc etc. that actually know much more about how collective bargaining actually works and have experience in pickets, strikes and decades of actual personal work hours into CBAs, JCBAs, SLIs and so much more. Imagine the ignorance of completely discounting all that experience because you came from Horizon to Alaska, and have never lifted a finger to do anything to further your station other than coming on APC and saying you voted no on every contract lol. It is always fascinating to me how everyone is a no vote, yet these CBAs at AS pass by large margins and they actively add in language that took their power away. The small group of people like Joe are the real problem. His attitude caused early tensions between the two pilot groups. Luckily now, as a whole the two merged pilot groups are one, they are aligned in their interested and the efforts show. Once again, poor EskimoJoke is simply upset and bitter that he wasn't part of the solution, so he comes on APC and screams about theories and problems that simply don't exist.

 

Yep, and don't forget, because of all that union experience and know how, the Virgin guys tried to organize their own in-house union, VALPA, which failed the first time around on a technicality. The second time around via ALPA worked, however.

I don't think any start-up has ever had a union on property from day one, but at VX, as soon as was possible, an effort was made to organize.

 

It was called VAPA

 

Yes. Virgin America Pilots Association. Thanks for the correction!

 

I will also add, VX pilots adding ALPA to the property was done with the highest voter turnout to bring the union on, in ALPAs history. Do we see a trend here? Highest voter turnout to bring ALPA on at VX. Instrumental in contributing to the biggest informational picket in ALPA history, and instrumental in contributing to the unprecedented strike vote, a first for AS pilots.

 

Thread has yet again dwelled into a VX vs AS pi$$ing match.

Btw, 1 in 4 voted no to ALPA. And quite a few guys refused to join and be members, while the rest of us paid our 1.9% dues starting Oct 1, 2015. These are our fellow ALPA brothers. Funny, I don’t hear them complaining about ALPA now after the AS merger. If they feel screwed in the SLI, how do they think a stand-alone VX or VAPA would have fared in an integration? Worst of all, it took all the way to the Agency Shop LOA to get some of the last holdouts to pay up.

 

I disagree. It didn’t devolve. It’s just former VXrs and at least one legacy AS pushing back on the absurd notion that VX existing is the reason for all the incredible shortcomings of previous AS contracts.

 

This.

The pilot groups are aligned and the vast majority want the same thing and don't even consider them two different pilot groups (which they aren't). There are too many great people from both airlines that now make up a fantastic pilot group to simply ignore EskimoJokes absurd comments.