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11-19-2017 | 10:25 PM
#371
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I'm curious to know what the pilot groups think regarding the upcoming allocation of Airbus equipment to largely north-south routes (LAXSEA, SEAPHX, etc.) while the 739ER fleet is placed on what were once VX transcons like LAXJFK, SFOJFK, etc. Does the change affect whether or not pre-merger AS pilots would prefer to transfer to Airbus equipment, etc?
Not trying to start a war, I'm just genuinely curious to know what the AS and VX pilots think and how it might color your perspectives on the integration.
Not trying to start a war, I'm just genuinely curious to know what the AS and VX pilots think and how it might color your perspectives on the integration.
11-20-2017 | 06:12 AM
#372
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So that could create movement between fleets on the part of senior VX folks if buses lose good schedules.
11-20-2017 | 06:15 AM
#373
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I'm curious to know what the pilot groups think regarding the upcoming allocation of Airbus equipment to largely north-south routes (LAXSEA, SEAPHX, etc.) while the 739ER fleet is placed on what were once VX transcons like LAXJFK, SFOJFK, etc. Does the change affect whether or not pre-merger AS pilots would prefer to transfer to Airbus equipment, etc?
Not trying to start a war, I'm just genuinely curious to know what the AS and VX pilots think and how it might color your perspectives on the integration.
Not trying to start a war, I'm just genuinely curious to know what the AS and VX pilots think and how it might color your perspectives on the integration.
For me, I bid the base that I want to live in and I really don’t care what the routes are or if I fly a Cessna 172 or a Boeing 747. I just want to be based where I live. If you want to know how people will bid, it will be on where they want to be based, not the routes the aircraft are flying.
11-20-2017 | 07:17 AM
#374
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First of all, I’m not at either Alaska or Virgin, but I speak as a pilot. I think you view what pilots want incorrectly. You are assuming we bid an aircraft based on routes. I don’t know of many pilots that do that. Most pilots bid on where they want to be based. If a pilot lives in one of the domiciles then they will bid that base no matter what the routes are. If the pilot commutes then they will bid the base that allows for the best commute, not the route.
For me, I bid the base that I want to live in and I really don’t care what the routes are or if I fly a Cessna 172 or a Boeing 747. I just want to be based where I live. If you want to know how people will bid, it will be on where they want to be based, not the routes the aircraft are flying.
For me, I bid the base that I want to live in and I really don’t care what the routes are or if I fly a Cessna 172 or a Boeing 747. I just want to be based where I live. If you want to know how people will bid, it will be on where they want to be based, not the routes the aircraft are flying.
11-21-2017 | 10:42 AM
#375
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Commute vs. live in base? 
I’m not sure you could build a schedule with such a strong contrast between different bases’ lines to make a person do that.
I know, nothing is impossible, but choosing to leave your home base to commute is a pretty extreme decision.
At least I like being married...
I’m not sure you could build a schedule with such a strong contrast between different bases’ lines to make a person do that.
I know, nothing is impossible, but choosing to leave your home base to commute is a pretty extreme decision.
At least I like being married...
11-21-2017 | 06:11 PM
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First of all, I’m not at either Alaska or Virgin, but I speak as a pilot. I think you view what pilots want incorrectly. You are assuming we bid an aircraft based on routes. I don’t know of many pilots that do that. Most pilots bid on where they want to be based. If a pilot lives in one of the domiciles then they will bid that base no matter what the routes are. If the pilot commutes then they will bid the base that allows for the best commute, not the route.
A good number of SFO United 747 pilots displaced to SFO 777 so that they would be able to continue to go 'home' to their Asian 'wives'.
A good number of pilots bid the LAX/SFO 737 so that they can fly to the Hawaiian islands.
When the ORD 747 closed, a good number displaced to SFO 747.
I've known more than a few pilots that chase the flying.
Like you, I bid base first and everything else after that. But it's definitely not universal. And after base, I'd bid for the equipment flying transcons over short routes.
Commute vs. live in base?
I’m not sure you could build a schedule with such a strong contrast between different bases’ lines to make a person do that.
I know, nothing is impossible, but choosing to leave your home base to commute is a pretty extreme decision.
At least I like being married...
I’m not sure you could build a schedule with such a strong contrast between different bases’ lines to make a person do that.
I know, nothing is impossible, but choosing to leave your home base to commute is a pretty extreme decision.
At least I like being married...
11-22-2017 | 01:37 PM
#378
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Pay is theoretically equal so it depends on how they build the schedules. Will they build the east-west full of 24 hour overnights on the east coast and SFO - 10 days off for everybody? Will they fill the north-south with 14 hour 2 days - 84 hours credit for 6 days of work anybody?
Anyway, it's about where you balance pay and qol...for 90% of pilots, especially in the AS/VX system, where you fly is irrelevant.
Anyway, it's about where you balance pay and qol...for 90% of pilots, especially in the AS/VX system, where you fly is irrelevant.
11-23-2017 | 05:49 AM
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