Senority List Integration from 2007 on......
11-17-2017 | 06:35 PM
#351
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The 1986 dal and wal merger was similar. One sore point was a phased pay increase for wal pilots to the dal book rates. Initially it was 18mos i think but later expedited. Appreciate dal book rates were abt 2x wal rates at point of merger.
I cant exactly recall the metrics of the liquidation acquisition of pan am planes and pilots....but im pretty sure i moved backward. so dalpa actually integrated alpa pilots from a defunct airline with something much more generous than a staple.
You might find it helpful to remember once the process is done....you all are going to be on the same team.
Last edited by BobZ; 11-17-2017 at 07:06 PM.
11-18-2017 | 06:25 AM
#352
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The point is "career expectations" replaced DoH in the official ALPA Merger/Fragmentation Policy, not that it had never been used before.
11-18-2017 | 01:07 PM
#354
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For the AS and VX pilot this thread is not only pointless, it is harmful. We will all be coworkers after the SLI, and at some point sharing cockpits. If you feel strongly about the SLI call or email your reps, but stop posting here.
11-18-2017 | 01:11 PM
#355
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Yup. It couldn’t be more irrelevant to post any wishes, hopes, dreams, opinions and assumptions in here. All this does is separate the pilot groups and it is something neither pilot group has any control of.
11-18-2017 | 06:31 PM
#356
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Actually, Alaska has a software rule agreed to by the MEC that prevents a leg being added on to a transcon or the like after 5.7 hours of flying. This is for pairing construction, not actual flying. The idea is that it cuts down on fatigue. Maybe, but it certainly cuts down on productive trips.
11-18-2017 | 07:15 PM
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I'm a 20+ Alaska pilot and I expect to lose a few numbers but I also expect some sort of fence to prevent those few guys from bidding in to my base. I also expect I won't be able to bid the Bus in SFO for a few years. Maybe 5 years and by then I expect those few senior VX pilots will be retired. Of course if the Buses go away quickly, that changes everything.
11-18-2017 | 09:59 PM
#358
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You guys can't help it (believe me, I know), but arguing about this is like ****ing into the wind. It's just not going to accomplish anything other than get yourselves stinky.
After going through two mergers in the last 12 years all I can say is, you never know how it's going to go until the list comes out. And you guys at Alaska know more than anyone just how much of a crapshoot arbitration is.
Good luck and keep sane. Once the list is done you will find out that the other guy is really ok and life does go on.
11-18-2017 | 10:00 PM
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You don't need a fence if the ratios are done right.
11-19-2017 | 06:19 AM
#360
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Actually, Alaska has a software rule agreed to by the MEC that prevents a leg being added on to a transcon or the like after 5.7 hours of flying. This is for pairing construction, not actual flying. The idea is that it cuts down on fatigue. Maybe, but it certainly cuts down on productive trips.
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