Senority List Integration from 2007 on......
11-17-2017, 06:35 PM
#351
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Originally Posted by flywest
Both UAL and CAL were legacy carriers. Not a 85 year old company who acquired a start up. This is not a merger. It's an acquisition. DOH is more than fair. If Delta had bought Alaska. I would expect to be at the mercy of the DALPA.
The 1986 dal and wal merger was similar. One sore point was a phased pay increase for wal pilots to the dal book rates. Initially it was 18mos i think but later expedited. Appreciate dal book rates were abt 2x wal rates at point of merger.
I cant exactly recall the metrics of the liquidation acquisition of pan am planes and pilots....but im pretty sure i moved backward. so dalpa actually integrated alpa pilots from a defunct airline with something much more generous than a staple.
You might find it helpful to remember once the process is done....you all are going to be on the same team.
Last edited by BobZ; 11-17-2017 at 07:06 PM.
11-18-2017, 06:25 AM
#352
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Originally Posted by vroll1800
Robert Gandt chronicles how arbitrator favored "career expectations" in that merger. Many Pan Am pilots felt hosed, seeing themselves hundreds of numbers lower in seniority than they expected. There were some National Captains that had later DOH than many Pan Am SO's.
11-18-2017, 01:07 PM
#354
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For the AS and VX pilot this thread is not only pointless, it is harmful. We will all be coworkers after the SLI, and at some point sharing cockpits. If you feel strongly about the SLI call or email your reps, but stop posting here.
11-18-2017, 01:11 PM
#355
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Originally Posted by AJ Crowley
For the AS and VX pilot this thread is not only pointless, it is harmful. We will all be coworkers after the SLI, and at some point sharing cockpits. If you feel strongly about the SLI call or email your reps, but stop posting here.
11-18-2017, 06:31 PM
#356
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Originally Posted by Mea25000
No AS has plenty of HI and transcontinental flying with a second leg. Nothing would change you just would have VX pilots based in SFO on the Boeing and AS guys on the bus in SEA.
11-18-2017, 07:15 PM
#357
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Originally Posted by mike734
I'm a 20+ Alaska pilot and I expect to lose a few numbers but I also expect some sort of fence to prevent those few guys from bidding in to my base. I also expect I won't be able to bid the Bus in SFO for a few years. Maybe 5 years and by then I expect those few senior VX pilots will be retired. Of course if the Buses go away quickly, that changes everything.
11-18-2017, 09:59 PM
#358
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Originally Posted by flywest
Well if DOH is not the standard. I guess Merit upgrades are next..... I'm done now. I will go away. 22 years online and not looking forward to being Jr to a guy who has not even reached top of scale in pay yet.
You guys can't help it (believe me, I know), but arguing about this is like ****ing into the wind. It's just not going to accomplish anything other than get yourselves stinky.
After going through two mergers in the last 12 years all I can say is, you never know how it's going to go until the list comes out. And you guys at Alaska know more than anyone just how much of a crapshoot arbitration is.
Good luck and keep sane. Once the list is done you will find out that the other guy is really ok and life does go on.
11-18-2017, 10:00 PM
#359
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Originally Posted by beancounter
There wasn't even a wide body fence with AA/US Airways, almost guarantee there won't be a narrow body one with Alaska/Virgin. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think this will go well for the legacy Alaska guys and gals.
You don't need a fence if the ratios are done right.
11-19-2017, 06:19 AM
#360
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Originally Posted by Just a Lurker
Actually, Alaska has a software rule agreed to by the MEC that prevents a leg being added on to a transcon or the like after 5.7 hours of flying. This is for pairing construction, not actual flying. The idea is that it cuts down on fatigue. Maybe, but it certainly cuts down on productive trips.
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