What do you expect with new contract?
09-12-2016, 05:36 AM
#41
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Originally Posted by pete2800
This ^ is exactly why...
...^ this is only true if pilots at Alaska decide that work rules and scope are unimportant.
Your statement contradicts itself.
...^ this is only true if pilots at Alaska decide that work rules and scope are unimportant.
Your statement contradicts itself.
09-12-2016, 05:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Speed Pilot
Guys that think like this is why Alaska pilots will continue to trail industry standard. Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you THE PROBLEM.
09-12-2016, 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by EskimoJoe
There is nothing contradictory is my statement. They don't have to merge these operations and Tilden has already hinted at doing that. If you think they are going to roll over and give you Delta's contract plus just to get to a JCBA you are smoking crack. You guys obviously have no idea who you're dealing with. No W2 wage earners are going to dictate a damn thing to these people. Tilden will happily Whip Saw before that happens. So to say that it's up to the Alaska pilots to decide if work rules and scope are unimportant is ridiculous. What are you going to do about it? Strike? Sure. That's going to happen...
09-12-2016, 01:18 PM
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What do you expect with new contract?
Originally Posted by EskimoJoe
Ok Jr. You check back with me after JCBA ratification...if that ever even happens, and you tell me about all the wonderful things in your new contract. I have never voted yes on any contract here...that would be the last 4 BTW. The Pilots aren't the problem, it's a style of Management that is capable of the Kasher award and their subsequent behavior. Couple this with the RLA and it becomes pretty clear why we don't have Delta's contract.
When more than half the pilots vote in a contract that lacks solid Scope language then it is the Pilots problem. The Pilots are telling Brad that this contract is good enough, carry on outsourcing at will.
09-12-2016, 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by CassinAK
When more than half the pilots vote in a contract that lacks solid Scope language then it is the Pilots problem. The Pilots are telling Brad that this contract is good enough, carry on outsourcing at will.
Nailed it!
09-12-2016, 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by pete2800
Alright. What course of action do you suggest?
09-12-2016, 04:04 PM
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This is not hard guys... Company wants a 51% contract. Anything else and they paid to much and they are smart. 25% over here would vote for our current contract plus 1% cola for 4 years. Even the union knows half of the wishes of the pilots are lepricons and unicorns, but they smile and say "yeah yeah". Behind closed doors they know how this will go down. Company wants 8% , 1.5, 3, 1.5, 1.5. Union wants 18, 3, 3... There will be no scope, retirement adjustment, there will only be a pay adjustment and increase in medical costs for us. I can't say for sure where the numbers will settle out at but somewhere at or between these two. Depends on the economy and how hard the union pushes. Write it down... Check back in 24 mo's. It will pass by 60%.... Oh I know no one on here will vote for that.. They will quit, strike, burn the place down... When this happens one MEC guy will quit but you will have a new contract... I guarantee it!
09-12-2016, 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Mea25000
This is not hard guys... Company wants a 51% contract. Anything else and they paid to much and they are smart. 25% over here would vote for our current contract plus 1% cola for 4 years. Even the union knows half of the wishes of the pilots are lepricons and unicorns, but they smile and say "yeah yeah". Behind closed doors they know how this will go down. Company wants 8% , 1.5, 3, 1.5, 1.5. Union wants 18, 3, 3... There will be no scope, retirement adjustment, there will only be a pay adjustment and increase in medical costs for us. I can't say for sure where the numbers will settle out at but somewhere at or between these two. Depends on the economy and how hard the union pushes. Write it down... Check back in 24 mo's. It will pass by 60%.... Oh I know no one on here will vote for that.. They will quit, strike, burn the place down... When this happens one MEC guy will quit but you will have a new contract... I guarantee it!
This the time to make a stand. There is no way any Vxer is voting for something without solid scope. And based on the conversations I've had with AS pilots neither are they.
09-12-2016, 05:59 PM
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Unfortunately, the chicken little limp dicks still outnumber your average common sense pilot here Alaska. There's always hope but this pilot group is known to embrace ground hog day. I've met some of the nicest pilots here but we all know where nice guys finish. 51% is all it takes.........
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