What do you expect with new contract?
09-12-2016, 06:45 PM
#51
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I hope you don't take this the wrong way but every VX pilot went to the lowest paying job in the industry... They went there willingly, happily accepting a career and a job that at its low was 40% below a bankrupt priced industry. They pushed the industry down... I know each individual had his or her own reason. I know some of them came from a bankrupt airline back ground, however many came from regionals. I know 37 of then interviewed and were turned down by AS. I am sure you have great people over there, but if it passes at AS by 60% it will pass VX by 80%.... I know, I know... I have no clue you guys are untied and rocks, pillars of the industry accepting only a industry leading contract like you did in the past... But check back in 2 years... I will be 100% right and AS management knows this
09-12-2016, 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Mea25000
I hope you don't take this the wrong way but every VX pilot went to the lowest paying job in the industry... They went there willingly, happily accepting a career and a job that at its low was 40% below a bankrupt priced industry. They pushed the industry down... I know each individual had his or her own reason. I know some of them came from a bankrupt airline back ground, however many came from regionals. I know 37 of then interviewed and were turned down by AS. I am sure you have great people over there, but if it passes at AS by 60% it will pass VX by 80%.... I know, I know... I have no clue you guys are untied and rocks, pillars of the industry accepting only a industry leading contract like you did in the past... But check back in 2 years... I will be 100% right and AS management knows this
09-12-2016, 09:55 PM
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Just honest...to many people hide from and try to excuse the truth. I am actually, I think a really nice guy, but that is my opinion in all fairness. I am pretty sure you would have a really hard time finding an FO that doesn't really enjoy flying with me.. And yes that's honest to. Check back in two years... See if I am right, sorry if honesty offends. Maybe next time I could lie just to make you all feel better.
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09-12-2016, 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Mea25000
Just honest...to many people hide from and try to excuse the truth. I am actually, I think a really nice guy, but that is my opinion in all fairness. I am pretty sure you would have a really hard time finding an FO that doesn't really enjoy flying with me.. And yes that's honest to. Check back in two years... See if I am right, sorry if honesty offends. Maybe next time I could lie just to make you all feel better.
Folks came to Virgin because it was quick progression. Some made out like bandits, others got bit when orders got cancelled.
We are no better and no worse than any other pilot group.
Did Southwest pilots suddenly grow balls between 1999 (when their pay was substandard) and now with their great TA? Or was it a confluence of good bargaining power, a strong economy and pilot unity? I suspect it was the latter.
Get off the high horse and join your brothers down here.
09-13-2016, 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Mea25000
I hope you don't take this the wrong way but every VX pilot went to the lowest paying job in the industry... They went there willingly, happily accepting a career and a job that at its low was 40% below a bankrupt priced industry. They pushed the industry down... I know each individual had his or her own reason. I know some of them came from a bankrupt airline back ground, however many came from regionals. I know 37 of then interviewed and were turned down by AS. I am sure you have great people over there, but if it passes at AS by 60% it will pass VX by 80%.... I know, I know... I have no clue you guys are untied and rocks, pillars of the industry accepting only a industry leading contract like you did in the past... But check back in 2 years... I will be 100% right and AS management knows this
09-13-2016, 09:31 AM
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I don't know about some of ya'll but I see where Mea25000 is coming from. At least he doesn't sugar coat things. 99% of the FOs who I flew with share the exact same sentiments as Mea25000 but we have a different breed of folks in LAX. I can't be sure how these same folks will vote and only time will tell.
09-13-2016, 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by plt32173
Big difference is they need 51% AS AND 51% VX. So if 60% AS votes yes but 60% VX votes No it won't pass
This the time to make a stand. There is no way any Vxer is voting for something without solid scope. And based on the conversations I've had with AS pilots neither are they.
This the time to make a stand. There is no way any Vxer is voting for something without solid scope. And based on the conversations I've had with AS pilots neither are they.
Last Q&A I read said for the JCBA, both the AS and VX MECs have to approve. If one doesn't, then it's a no go. But for the general population there would be no distinction, it's all ~2500 pilots who vote yes or no and has to pass of that by 50% + 1.
09-13-2016, 01:00 PM
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Yup, you got me... I used too improperly 2x. I wrote fast and Apple is always fixing things for me. I am sure that means I am a moron... Name call, poke fun, and attack anyone that says something you don't agree with. I told you what your new contract will be. ($234-$255, equipment locks, no scope, no unicorns) Yes, the past is always a good barometer of the future. Every FO I have flown with wants nothing to do with VX and this merger... But alas we are stuck. Check back in two years and tell me I am an idiot.
Shy is right it is 51% of the ~2500
Shy is right it is 51% of the ~2500
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