I never get tired of being right. I’m petty that way.

Unterseher admitted openly and with frustration on the town hall that the union was denied a meeting with the NMB. His words were “we were lead to believe that the NMB would be receptive to our argument that we are at an impasse.”

Like I’ve been saying, unless you had your head in the sand or so far up Unterseher and JR’s behind, it was a huge disappointment to not get a meeting with the NMB. JR, Unterseher, Graff, Jay, etc were telling anybody who would listen that the NMB was gonna release us after they heard what the union had to say.

The union was SHOCKED that they weren’t given the opportunity to plead their case with the NMB. Unterseher confirmed that on the town hall.

Two Bit - you know your a religious zealot when you continue to believe the NMB is still considering our request for an meeting even after Unterseher tells us they denied a meeting.

stop believing every word of those silly messages the new comm’s committee is putting out and think for yourself…

 

I noticed that too listening to GU. I was like, "Oh snap, did he just say the quiet part outloud" hahaha. DJ, please play Smooth Operator by Sade.

 

I’ll be the first to admit the comprehensive looks pretty solid. I really don’t think it’s too far off from what we should get. Hopefully management stops ****ing around with our future and we can move on as a company

 

3 hours? They won't get past introductions....

But nice job GU getting everyone to take their eye off the ball (ALPA)

& no way either side is budging on unstacking.

 

Can’t believe the NC is offering stick with our current POS “pbs” system. No way a TA with the solver gets ratified.

again, the NC is so stupid and shortsighted. Management can literally change that solver whenever they want however they want. Yeah we can take it to arbitration, but we got lucky in one one. Remember all those high fly lines yeah we lost that arbitration.

why would we give management. Especially this management team, the ability to change and rework the solver whenever they want. They can code/program the solver to do whatever they want. Sure, arbitration, but again after the arbitration management can just change it again, and again, and again. It’s management’s own excel solver…

I am seriously shocked this is what the NC thinks status quo on scheduling will get voted in.

so naive. So ignorant of the history here. I can promise you if we have to stick with MG’s hand built solver we will regret it for the next ten years too. Management hasn’t “tweaked” the solver because the they’ve been pretending to be “pilot friendly” during negotiations. Make no mistake, if the solver stays we will see MWDs til kingdom come the second the ink dries.

I seriously think I’m living in the twilight zone

 

We are light years apart. Management is not gonna sign a legacy contract while our direct competitors are in bankruptcy NK and F9 is openly telling its pilots and the NMB that they can only afford a “cost neutral” contract.

 

You think 70% unstacking is better than current CBI? Only a couple things in that doc that would put us at the top of what everyone else has. Frontier and Spirit have had significant better contracts for several years over us. Just because there companies want cost neutral that does not mean they will get that. Most of what the union asked is reasonable. If as you say it would not pass with CBI still in then anything much lower than what is in the unions pass would not pass either.

 

I think current CBI solver can be whatever management wants it to be because they can recode it whenever and however they want. Don’t forget just a few years ago there hundreds of pilots forced to reserve while a jr pilot got a line and the arbitrator said it was not a contract violation. Now management has chosen not to do that recently because they’re pretending to play nice but they could start doing that again whenever they want.

It would be a monumental mistake to think “uh, schedules kinda suck but they’re not too bad, let’s just stick with CBI.” Because CBI can be programmed to do whatever the company wants.

But the Bloch award they’ll say, it protects my seniority. Well it doesn’t protect your seniority when you wanted a line, bud deep enough to get a line, but a jr pilot took your line because scheduling dept needed “high fly lines” and you were only in the “middle” of the LCW.

You might be right, maybe CBI could get ratified. But it doesn’t mean it wouldn’t be a huge mistake to put that kind of trust in management. They’ve done it multiple times and they’ll do it again. We are overstaffed so they don’t need to and they’re trying to play nice. But we’ve had several arbitrations about CBI and management has won them all except Bloch. And all Bloch got us was sequential bids.

Management can still jack up the MWDs whenever they want. Change the coding for solving bottom up, second solve, LCW buffers, low/med/high, force reserve to senior pilots, etc whenever they want because they control CBI entirely. There’s no manual, logic rules, etc to rely on. It is whatever management wants it to be and with “management rights” destroying us with GOM revisions, eliminating pos contact, etc don’t think for a second coding changes and “new updates” to solver logic won’t be justified under management rights.

as for the stuff about NK and F9, I’m not implying we don’t deserve it or that union shouldn’t ask for it. Unterseher even said it’s not last best final. I said we are years apart precisely because ULCCs, including us are struggling, which is why management won’t agree to that stuff absent a release. Even if management could afford the stock price would drop a min of 10-20% once those rates were made public so management will drag this out as long as possible for that reason alone.

Side note: I’m shocked they released executive summary this to the membership. That is very unorthodox in negotiations to publicize the union’s very first comprehensive wishlist. Unterseher is clearly feeling the heat from Alpa (which he repeatedly acknowledged on the town hall).

 

Or, you could be bloviating.

 

I like the current CBI. Others do too. Pretty simple. Just saying, I wouldn’t freak out if we stay with our CBI and nail down the rest as advertised.

Let’s lock in that RB before we get stapled in a merger with an ALPA carrier & kiss it goodbye.