Contract negotiations
#3081
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The pay rates are all about the same across the board for all airlines with contracts still in their effective term, not including the old/amendable or no cba rates.
#3082
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pretty quick bc he’s already out there acting as an apologist for the company rationalizing why we don’t deserve what the rest of the industry has?
allegedly he’s been getting phone calls from management telling him they need him to win and so the company can get what they want at the table. How would that sit with you if it’s true? You can’t argue that he isn’t making the same arguments the company is for unstacking now and telling guys we should abandon that ask.
allegedly he’s been getting phone calls from management telling him they need him to win and so the company can get what they want at the table. How would that sit with you if it’s true? You can’t argue that he isn’t making the same arguments the company is for unstacking now and telling guys we should abandon that ask.
I spoke with RJ directly, personally, and none of that lines up with what he actually said. Not a bit. So let’s not pretend second hand gossip is strategic insight.
And as for the other slate… come on. We all know how that goes. Nobody…and I mean nobody is handing the controls of this pilot group over to Rob S. The man is still trying to figure out which end of the paper bag he’s supposed to push on. Asking him to explain contract strategy is like asking a goldfish to run a chess match, it’s just not gonna happen, and it’s not his fault, but we’re not gonna gamble our careers on it.
So if you’re gonna come in here swinging, at least bring something based in reality, not whatever rumor mill memo got passed around this morning.
#3083
Now listen, I’ve been around long enough to recognize when somebody’s just repeating somebody else’s script. And what you just said? That’s not your thought. That’s the other slate’s talking points, word for word.
I spoke with RJ directly, personally, and none of that lines up with what he actually said. Not a bit. So let’s not pretend second hand gossip is strategic insight.
And as for the other slate… come on. We all know how that goes. Nobody…and I mean nobody is handing the controls of this pilot group over to Rob S. The man is still trying to figure out which end of the paper bag he’s supposed to push on. Asking him to explain contract strategy is like asking a goldfish to run a chess match, it’s just not gonna happen, and it’s not his fault, but we’re not gonna gamble our careers on it.
So if you’re gonna come in here swinging, at least bring something based in reality, not whatever rumor mill memo got passed around this morning.
I spoke with RJ directly, personally, and none of that lines up with what he actually said. Not a bit. So let’s not pretend second hand gossip is strategic insight.
And as for the other slate… come on. We all know how that goes. Nobody…and I mean nobody is handing the controls of this pilot group over to Rob S. The man is still trying to figure out which end of the paper bag he’s supposed to push on. Asking him to explain contract strategy is like asking a goldfish to run a chess match, it’s just not gonna happen, and it’s not his fault, but we’re not gonna gamble our careers on it.
So if you’re gonna come in here swinging, at least bring something based in reality, not whatever rumor mill memo got passed around this morning.
1- That I, the FB group I admin and whatsapp are interfering with election integrity. Seems like they're already planning to call foul IF the happen to lose.
2- RJ is soft on the company and the company wants HIM specifically bc he will cave to all their demands. Same talking points were said about the Transparency Slate in 2023 when they ran, RS was part of that slate. Now it's hilariously ironic that they are pedaling it. Pathetic really.
3- The next one is that prior FLEET MANAGER, FR who is a company check airman, with a good track record of demanding for accountability and transparency from GU, and his proxies, can't be trusted.
This is more of the GU, CG, and frankly IBT playbook. Someone has a dissenting opinion and you SMEAR THEM so they lose credibility. The reality is GH (Treasurer candidate) said it best recently. He wouldn't be on the slate with RJ if he didn't 100 believe that FR stood for what they all represent. Putting the pilots first, their wants, and restoring trust and unity through actual results. I for one supported the ALPA drive the second time because I was/am sick of the IBTs absolute mediocraty in representing pilots. This local has its work cut out, and many volunteers have absolutely put in the work, and it should recognized. This isn't about who wants a contract or funcationing local, I think everyone does. HOW it's accomplished and who has the experience, intelligence and trust from the pilot group is what splits us. One slate offers more of the same IMHO, the other seems to have a very diverse group of individuals, with different backgrounds that have contributed A LOT to the pilot group for the past few years (overall).
One slate wants to find solutions for a fair contract that works for the majority of G4 pilots, the other is focused on dying on the hill of an impasse, and dragging everyone along by moving the goal post, and hoping on attrition to do the trick.
#3084
Three talking points the BUS slate is spreading:
1- That I, the FB group I admin and whatsapp are interfering with election integrity. Seems like they're already planning to call foul IF the happen to lose.
2- RJ is soft on the company and the company wants HIM specifically bc he will cave to all their demands. Same talking points were said about the Transparency Slate in 2023 when they ran, RS was part of that slate. Now it's hilariously ironic that they are pedaling it. Pathetic really.
3- The next one is that prior FLEET MANAGER, FR who is a company check airman, with a good track record of demanding for accountability and transparency from GU, and his proxies, can't be trusted.
This is more of the GU, CG, and frankly IBT playbook. Someone has a dissenting opinion and you SMEAR THEM so they lose credibility. The reality is GH (Treasurer candidate) said it best recently. He wouldn't be on the slate with RJ if he didn't 100 believe that FR stood for what they all represent. Putting the pilots first, their wants, and restoring trust and unity through actual results. I for one supported the ALPA drive the second time because I was/am sick of the IBTs absolute mediocraty in representing pilots. This local has its work cut out, and many volunteers have absolutely put in the work, and it should recognized. This isn't about who wants a contract or funcationing local, I think everyone does. HOW it's accomplished and who has the experience, intelligence and trust from the pilot group is what splits us. One slate offers more of the same IMHO, the other seems to have a very diverse group of individuals, with different backgrounds that have contributed A LOT to the pilot group for the past few years (overall).
One slate wants to find solutions for a fair contract that works for the majority of G4 pilots, the other is focused on dying on the hill of an impasse, and dragging everyone along by moving the goal post, and hoping on attrition to do the trick.
1- That I, the FB group I admin and whatsapp are interfering with election integrity. Seems like they're already planning to call foul IF the happen to lose.
2- RJ is soft on the company and the company wants HIM specifically bc he will cave to all their demands. Same talking points were said about the Transparency Slate in 2023 when they ran, RS was part of that slate. Now it's hilariously ironic that they are pedaling it. Pathetic really.
3- The next one is that prior FLEET MANAGER, FR who is a company check airman, with a good track record of demanding for accountability and transparency from GU, and his proxies, can't be trusted.
This is more of the GU, CG, and frankly IBT playbook. Someone has a dissenting opinion and you SMEAR THEM so they lose credibility. The reality is GH (Treasurer candidate) said it best recently. He wouldn't be on the slate with RJ if he didn't 100 believe that FR stood for what they all represent. Putting the pilots first, their wants, and restoring trust and unity through actual results. I for one supported the ALPA drive the second time because I was/am sick of the IBTs absolute mediocraty in representing pilots. This local has its work cut out, and many volunteers have absolutely put in the work, and it should recognized. This isn't about who wants a contract or funcationing local, I think everyone does. HOW it's accomplished and who has the experience, intelligence and trust from the pilot group is what splits us. One slate offers more of the same IMHO, the other seems to have a very diverse group of individuals, with different backgrounds that have contributed A LOT to the pilot group for the past few years (overall).
One slate wants to find solutions for a fair contract that works for the majority of G4 pilots, the other is focused on dying on the hill of an impasse, and dragging everyone along by moving the goal post, and hoping on attrition to do the trick.
Good god a lot has changed over there.
I saw a comment a while back. Someone suggested that if the VPS mafia keeps rocking the boat the company will just shut the base down and go back to seasonal. I could see that. You guys have a pretty good deal up there and you make way more noise than you should based on your numbers. The company is doing you a favor keeping that base open 9 months out of the year. Or maybe that's why you want to elect a management shill now.
#3085
Whoa. Hold on. You guys are seriously considering electing FR as union boss? The angry rooster? They guy who told everyone "The FCOM is only 5000 pages. Just read it and do it and quit your whining". The guy who completely f'd up the training department and tried to use it as a weapon for the company? Who punted and used the factory FCOM after failing repeatedly to get our manuals consolidated and rewritten. Who the FAA had 0% trust in his competence? Who failed repeatedly to get an AQP program? Who is now a check airman and still a company representative?
Good god a lot has changed over there.
I saw a comment a while back. Someone suggested that if the VPS mafia keeps rocking the boat the company will just shut the base down and go back to seasonal. I could see that. You guys have a pretty good deal up there and you make way more noise than you should based on your numbers. The company is doing you a favor keeping that base open 9 months out of the year. Or maybe that's why you want to elect a management shill now.
Good god a lot has changed over there.
I saw a comment a while back. Someone suggested that if the VPS mafia keeps rocking the boat the company will just shut the base down and go back to seasonal. I could see that. You guys have a pretty good deal up there and you make way more noise than you should based on your numbers. The company is doing you a favor keeping that base open 9 months out of the year. Or maybe that's why you want to elect a management shill now.
#3086
Whoa. Hold on. You guys are seriously considering electing FR as union boss? The angry rooster? They guy who told everyone "The FCOM is only 5000 pages. Just read it and do it and quit your whining". The guy who completely f'd up the training department and tried to use it as a weapon for the company? Who punted and used the factory FCOM after failing repeatedly to get our manuals consolidated and rewritten. Who the FAA had 0% trust in his competence? Who failed repeatedly to get an AQP program? Who is now a check airman and still a company representative?
Good god a lot has changed over there.
I saw a comment a while back. Someone suggested that if the VPS mafia keeps rocking the boat the company will just shut the base down and go back to seasonal. I could see that. You guys have a pretty good deal up there and you make way more noise than you should based on your numbers. The company is doing you a favor keeping that base open 9 months out of the year. Or maybe that's why you want to elect a management shill now.
Good god a lot has changed over there.
I saw a comment a while back. Someone suggested that if the VPS mafia keeps rocking the boat the company will just shut the base down and go back to seasonal. I could see that. You guys have a pretty good deal up there and you make way more noise than you should based on your numbers. The company is doing you a favor keeping that base open 9 months out of the year. Or maybe that's why you want to elect a management shill now.
And yes, in VPS we have an overall sweet deal for those wanting better QOL, but definitely lose pay bc of how seasonal the base is. Which is why I will never understand why in the hell ANYONE in the base was/is on board with 30% unstacking, which would absolutely desimate small seasonal bases. Anyway, FR had a job as a fleet manager at one point, and you or others might have a strong opinion of him bc of it; that's fair. But the man has absolutely shown his true colors when it comes to helping the pilots in his base and others. He's stuck his neck out plenty to keep GU accountable. Cheers.
#3087
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Starbucks Workers Launch Strike on Chain’s Biggest Day of the Year
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...gest-day-year/
What are these Starbucks workers doing? It must be amateur hour. Don’t they know they should “strike” at about mid-afternoon or early evening maybe on a Monday or Wednesday to get maximum exposure?! Tsk….tsk…
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...gest-day-year/
What are these Starbucks workers doing? It must be amateur hour. Don’t they know they should “strike” at about mid-afternoon or early evening maybe on a Monday or Wednesday to get maximum exposure?! Tsk….tsk…
#3088
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Joined: Jul 2023
Posts: 182
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Starbucks Workers Launch Strike on Chain’s Biggest Day of the Year
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...gest-day-year/
What are these Starbucks workers doing? It must be amateur hour. Don’t they know they should “strike” at about mid-afternoon or early evening maybe on a Monday or Wednesday to get maximum exposure?! Tsk….tsk…
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...gest-day-year/
What are these Starbucks workers doing? It must be amateur hour. Don’t they know they should “strike” at about mid-afternoon or early evening maybe on a Monday or Wednesday to get maximum exposure?! Tsk….tsk…
#3089
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From: Airbus Captain
It’s obvious that the Building Unity Slate is cracking under pressure. Blue Skies Slate continues to display professionalism and address the issues most pilots are concerned with. Looking forward to a Blue Skies landslide election victory & a TA out for vote in February 2026!
#3090
It’s obvious that the Building Unity Slate is cracking under pressure. Blue Skies Slate continues to display professionalism and address the issues most pilots are concerned with. Looking forward to a Blue Skies landslide election victory & a TA out for vote in February 2026!
You even saw CB, who was a member of the slate that couldn't come to fruition which was being led by CG. Being encouraged obviously by GU to run against Blue Skies. They began working on putting a slate together after RM slate fell apart as well. So what happened? The BUS was put together in a hasty manner to oppose Blue Skies. Then they basically just tried running a smear campaign, with no real plan together on how to actually unite and lead the pilot group. From the get-go all they've done is talked about election interference, and how they're already putting certain things together to make the case the election was influenced by management and possible ALPA supporters.
They're most recent video messages have had a change of tone, trying to seem that they are just like Blue Skies in certain ways. Based on the overall chatter in many bases it does seem that Blue Skies has overwhelming support, the pilots have recognized their professionalism, engagement, and deciding not to participate in mud slinging. Also look forward to a landslide win from Blue Skies. It's time this pilot group gets actually represented, their voices heard, and not being told to just "unite" behind the leaderships own agenda.
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