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Old 01-22-2015 | 02:06 PM
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Six months is a safe number. From you post...You want 30 days pad if your strike lasts 89 days?

Personally, I would take the longest recent strike and double (if not triple) the number. I always kept a savings account with 6 months worth "just in case."

And it doesn't have to be a strike, it could be a medical glitch. Make sure you have your family taken care of first.
Old 01-22-2015 | 02:31 PM
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That’s money management 101. Most g4 pilots have never lived lavish life styles. I would guess most of our pilots don’t drive Jags. Six months plus is doable for us for many reasons; obvious need for personal crisis, an economy full of pilot jobs to act as life boats, if not the career job itself. Question is how long can the investors hold out: 170 a share today; 100 a share? 50 a share? 0 a share? Comair if I remember correctly was wholly owned DAL. Apart of the parent, but not the entire source of revenue.


Originally Posted by Packrat
Six months is a safe number. From you post...You want 30 days pad if your strike lasts 89 days?

Personally, I would take the longest recent strike and double (if not triple) the number. I always kept a savings account with 6 months worth "just in case."

And it doesn't have to be a strike, it could be a medical glitch. Make sure you have your family taken care of first.
Old 01-22-2015 | 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by labbats
There is simply no feasible way to incorporate our out-and-back route structure from one small airport to another. I can see Frontier and Spirit merging together but no one can mesh with what we do.

Look at our bases...

IWA
BLI
PGD
PIE
SFB
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LAS
FLL


Everything above the line is going to be impossible to merge and that is the majority of our flying. Ain't going to happen regardless of what aircraft we fly.
Common fallacy in my opinion. Why does everyone assume that just because one airline sucks up another that you have to change operations? If Allegiant has a proven track record of making money, an airline like Spirit buys it up (or vice versa) and keeps everything the way it is. You can hub and spoke in some areas of the operation and out and backs for other parts that makes sense for profitability. Quite frankly I don't know why in the future Allegiant doesn't add hub and spoke where it makes sense but keep all the out and backs the way they are, its a win-win.
Besides all that, both Frontier and Spirit are doing just what Allegiant is doing for the most part or going more and more so in that direction. It would just make a bigger airline doing the same thing.
It will eventually happen. Airline mergers are to make a windfall for the big wigs, not help the consumer or employee groups. And you can count on Maury Gallagher make his big $$ move when he does his swan song on the way out. Count on it.
Old 01-22-2015 | 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Packrat
Six months is a safe number. From you post...You want 30 days pad if your strike lasts 89 days?

Personally, I would take the longest recent strike and double (if not triple) the number. I always kept a savings account with 6 months worth "just in case."

And it doesn't have to be a strike, it could be a medical glitch. Make sure you have your family taken care of first.
Ok so that would be 15 days, a two week paycheck. (triple the number of the spirit strike which is most recent)

Allegiant CANT handle a prolonged strike operationally. They can hardly maintain training/currency requirements on a daily basis!
Old 01-22-2015 | 03:15 PM
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For the past twenty years each of those airlines where the sole source of revenue relied on it’s pilot services for the entire corporation; management talks tough and makes threats. Recent history shows pilots with the upper hand when pushed to a strike. The NWA 1998 strike is the most interesting of those examples. They were in negotiations for two years before being released and lasted less than 30 days. The other more like carrier, is the most recent; Spirit. Once released, it lasted single digit days. Comair is the aberration and shares the least in common with us: At the time wholly owned subsidiary of DAL and pay for departure airline. Not remotely related to our current company.

Originally Posted by Packrat
Six months is a safe number. From you post...You want 30 days pad if your strike lasts 89 days?
Old 01-22-2015 | 03:30 PM
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This is another more significant difference between the outlier, which is: Comair. Comair was a fraction of DAL parent revenue and flying, for which mainline and other fee for departure outsourcing picked up the slack. For Comair to shutdown, didn’t shutdown all of DAL.

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Allegiant CANT handle a prolonged strike operationally. They can hardly maintain training/currency requirements on a daily basis!
Originally Posted by Packrat
Six months is a safe number. From you post...You want 30 days pad if your strike lasts 89 days?
Old 01-22-2015 | 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by labbats
There is simply no feasible way to incorporate our out-and-back route structure from one small airport to another. I can see Frontier and Spirit merging together but no one can mesh with what we do.

Look at our bases...

IWA
BLI
PGD
PIE
SFB
-----------------
LAS
FLL


Everything above the line is going to be impossible to merge and that is the majority of our flying. Ain't going to happen regardless of what aircraft we fly.
I could see us merge or bought by Alaska, they would love to own BLI, shift they're flying from PHX to IWA (as a connecting hub), and give them access to the lucrative east coast market. I'm not sure how PGD would fit in but SFB, PIE, and FLL could be used as small hubs with flights connecting out west.

We could also be bought and kept completely separate from the current AK operation, being called Alaska vacations or something.

Total speculation on my part, but if there's money to be made, and Alaska is one of the last at the dance without a partner. All that said, I agree the most likely merger in the near term will be F9 and NKS.

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Old 01-22-2015 | 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Xbone
Spirit 2010, 5-day strike
Amerijet 2009, 17-day
World 2006, 9-day
Polar 2005, 17-day
Comair 2001, 89-day
NWA 1998, 15-day
Skyway 1998, 89 minutes
AMR 1997, 24 minutes
So, I will gladly take those odds.

Originally Posted by Packrat
Six months is a safe number. From you post...You want 30 days pad if your strike lasts 89 days?

Personally, I would take the longest recent strike and double (if not triple) the number. I always kept a savings account with 6 months worth "just in case."

And it doesn't have to be a strike, it could be a medical glitch. Make sure you have your family taken care of first.
Old 01-23-2015 | 06:34 AM
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Alaska doesn't want you. They especially don't want 67 MDs, an aircraft they phased out years ago...you're flying some of their old jets. And they don't want either the Airbus or the 757 either.

Alaska is perfectly happy flying BLI to Hawaii with their jets and everywhere else using Horizon to connect to the rest of the system. If Allegiant disappeared from BLI, Alaska would ramp up with big jets. Why would they take you to get into an airport they're already in AND pioneered for YOU?
Old 01-23-2015 | 07:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Packrat
Alaska doesn't want you. They especially don't want 67 MDs, an aircraft they phased out years ago...you're flying some of their old jets. And they don't want either the Airbus or the 757 either.

Alaska is perfectly happy flying BLI to Hawaii with their jets and everywhere else using Horizon to connect to the rest of the system. If Allegiant disappeared from BLI, Alaska would ramp up with big jets. Why would they take you to get into an airport they're already in AND pioneered for YOU?
Pioneered? Is that why the day after we announced BLI-HNL, they scrambled in to beat us there while we were getting ETOPS certification? And is that why they left that market right after we did? Sounds more like defending "turf" than pioneering.
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