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Old 03-24-2015 | 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by tailendcharlie
My take was "new and untested legal theory" referred to the legality of a potential status quo strike, not the applicability of Norris-LaGuardia should one occur......

But whatever he meant, a clear effort to position the pilots as renegades & outliers & mobilize employee opinion against them.....
Oh they already have HQ employee opinions against the pilots.
Old 03-24-2015 | 04:31 PM
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I was thinking more along the lines of FA's gate agents & mechanics who will start asking you why you want to cost them their jobs......HQ folks are already a lost cause....
Old 03-24-2015 | 04:49 PM
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The real test will be what constitutes an ongoing "major" dispute. If you look at the bullet points from the email about the new CBI, it looks like they are trying to appear as if they are meeting the judges action. I don't have the injunction in front of me but it looks like what he wrote as far as making improvements.
Don't misunderstand me, I don't buy it. But I think that's the angle they are going for here:


To provide the ability for crew members to submit a monthly standing bid.

To display the bid packet information in one place to assist with the building of monthly preferences.

To significantly reduce the time required for crew members to submit preferences.

To facilitate improved bidding on mobile devices: The CBI has been designed to work on most tabular and cellular devices, as well as standard desktops.

To mitigate the notion of the “apathetic bidder”: All crew members will be bidding on all preferences based on their selections.

To provide automated feedback to crew members regarding their final schedule awards.
Old 03-24-2015 | 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by crxpilot
The real test will be what constitutes an ongoing "major" dispute. If you look at the bullet points from the email about the new CBI, it looks like they are trying to appear as if they are meeting the judges action. I don't have the injunction in front of me but it looks like what he wrote as far as making improvements.
Don't misunderstand me, I don't buy it. But I think that's the angle they are going for here:


To provide the ability for crew members to submit a monthly standing bid.

To display the bid packet information in one place to assist with the building of monthly preferences.

To significantly reduce the time required for crew members to submit preferences.

To facilitate improved bidding on mobile devices: The CBI has been designed to work on most tabular and cellular devices, as well as standard desktops.

To mitigate the notion of the “apathetic bidder”: All crew members will be bidding on all preferences based on their selections.

To provide automated feedback to crew members regarding their final schedule awards.
Ask IWA guys that. Don't even have next months schedules....
Old 03-24-2015 | 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by crxpilot
The real test will be what constitutes an ongoing "major" dispute. If you look at the bullet points from the email about the new CBI, it looks like they are trying to appear as if they are meeting the judges action. I don't have the injunction in front of me but it looks like what he wrote as far as making improvements.
Don't misunderstand me, I don't buy it. But I think that's the angle they are going for here:


To provide the ability for crew members to submit a monthly standing bid.

To display the bid packet information in one place to assist with the building of monthly preferences.

To significantly reduce the time required for crew members to submit preferences.

To facilitate improved bidding on mobile devices: The CBI has been designed to work on most tabular and cellular devices, as well as standard desktops.

To mitigate the notion of the “apathetic bidder”: All crew members will be bidding on all preferences based on their selections.

To provide automated feedback to crew members regarding their final schedule awards.
Its still PBS. A violation of status quo. Period. Read pg 18 of the judges ruling. Clear as day. So is disability.
Old 03-24-2015 | 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Hovernut
SH made it sound like the NMB rejected our Proffer; they didn't! The Gov't just wants one last "cain't we all just get along?" bash before the release. Nice display of ignorance of the RLA AND the Court Injunction on the Company's behalf in regards to the possibility of a Status Quo Strike! Just think of the mess of $$ F&H is sucking out of our profits...pretty sad..

Exactly. Proffer was NOT rejected. Yes, they want both parties to meet in D.C., but it was not specifically to resume negotiations.

Typical union bashing noise. Don't buy it guys!

That email makes me want to strike even more.
Old 03-24-2015 | 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by crxpilot
The real test will be what constitutes an ongoing "major" dispute. If you look at the bullet points from the email about the new CBI, it looks like they are trying to appear as if they are meeting the judges action. I don't have the injunction in front of me but it looks like what he wrote as far as making improvements.
Don't misunderstand me, I don't buy it. But I think that's the angle they are going for here:


To provide the ability for crew members to submit a monthly standing bid.

To display the bid packet information in one place to assist with the building of monthly preferences.

To significantly reduce the time required for crew members to submit preferences.

To facilitate improved bidding on mobile devices: The CBI has been designed to work on most tabular and cellular devices, as well as standard desktops.

To mitigate the notion of the “apathetic bidder”: All crew members will be bidding on all preferences based on their selections.

To provide automated feedback to crew members regarding their final schedule awards.
What constitutes ‘major dispute’ is what the Vegas judge did for us. His ruling, not ours. As I read it, it’s his (Vegas superior) to overturn. Will he overturn/overrule/grant a tro? That’s up to him. I’ll take the opinion of the Vegas judge, he rules. In this case the procedural delay of the 9th circuit works in our favor either way; no ruling yet on the company’s emergency injunction. The Vegas federal judge is the judgment so far that controls.
Old 03-24-2015 | 06:16 PM
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You can view 40min. of video on the 9th circuit court of appeals website that shows both sides arguing the case before the panel on Feb. 2. Worth watching. IMO maybe not quite the slam-dunk the Teamsters are portraying it as but of course would you expect otherwise?
Old 03-24-2015 | 06:25 PM
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Has the 9th circuit ruled yet? I think that’s a no. So far Vegas superior is last ruling on record. The slam-dunk was Vegas superior declaration of ‘major dispute’. Until 9th circuit or Vegas superior rules different.


Originally Posted by tailendcharlie
You can view 40min. of video on the 9th circuit court of appeals website that shows both sides arguing the case before the panel on Feb. 2. Worth watching. IMO maybe not quite the slam-dunk the Teamsters are portraying it as but of course would you expect otherwise?
I did view the entire video. I especially like the judges question, “then what was it?”
Old 03-24-2015 | 10:03 PM
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Maybe it would be best to let the 9th district rule before striking. If the judge orders us back to work right away we would look like fools. We should not make decisions based on emotions. If the 9th district upholds it.... Absolutely. I'm just seeing a lot of gray. IMO
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