disco inferno

Allegiant has a very difficult time with training. It is quite disorganized and takes much longer than it should. This also translates into higher costs. If enough people leave and there is a sustained trend to the departures, they will be unable to keep up and any cost savings with the newer cheaper meat in the seat will be negated.

I don't see it as my job to stay and suffer as we fight the good fight. I will while I'm here but that doesn't mean I have to stay as long as it takes to sort out a decent contract..... if it ever happens.

fishforfun

Flows are a small percentage of new hires. Again, the stats have been posted monthly by Delta MEC and it shows 47% mil I believe. I'll grab June's report and post it. United recently went through a bout of a specific person intentionally weeding out mil applicants to prevent them from getting a call. Plus, you can't start breaking down the civilian portion and say that they have been primarily flows or interns. Same is true for mil guys. Most have been fighter types and squadron operations officers, squadron commanders etc. The more you worry about who got hired is less time spent making yourself more marketable.

Everyone knows what Allegiants problems are, even the completely exaggerated ones on here. Saying new hires are hurting the cause is no different than saying senior captains staying are hurting it also. "We're fighting the good fight," they will say. Bull****, they are making over $100k a year and are home every night and have gotten comfortable and don't want to move on. No different than the regional capts. Strike, leave or ****. Until then I would suggest to not expect someone to do something you won't. Sorry but I'm just getting tired of reading so many threads of pilots non stop *****ing.

fishforfun

Delta June Flying Ops

Year to date:
287 civilian hired
291 military hired

Month of May:
72 civilian hired
76 military hired

MD80driver2day

I'm only quoting you because the mobile app is making me include a quote.



So if the big road block to moving forward with negotiations is dues check off, and dues check off has been the downfall of the other two unions, then let's say to heck with dues check off for now. We can pay our dues as responsible adults. Let's not hold up a contract on this. I'm sure PayPal or some other means is available to the union.

Threatening a pilot with termination for not paying dues is ridiculous anyway. Per the RLA we pay dues or the agency fee. The union can and will get their money.

Let's see how serious the company really is about negotiating.

EngFail

The downfall of the other two unions has been a lack of unity and fortitude. The only downfall thus far has been legal rulings that have not gone our way. The problem has never been whether or not the pilots are willing and able to strike. Management will cave once they see that sky high stock price plummet. With only the threat of a strike the stock dropped like a rock.

Dues check off is the holy grail of union busting. Very simple equation; take away the money and defund the union. Any contract is worthless without legal enforcement. The next battle will be compliance and interpretation. This management will attempt to slime around any contract that is signed. G4’s word means nothing. Our pwr has signatures and was signed with handshakes; sure looks like a contract. Million dollar F&H attorneys made sure g4 management would be insulated from it.

There will always be that 10 percent at every airline that will refuse to pay dues and plenty of people who will forget. Let g4 collect it. It will only be g4 managements objection till the end of the 30 day cooling off period. If, and only if we are released. G4 management will be made to sign off on dues check off; only if released and after the 30 day cooling off. G4 management has more to lose, and therefore does not have the stomach for a true fight. I for one understand the importance of keeping the coffers full with as much cash as possible to fight F&H attorneys.

Dues check off would be worth that battle every time.

G4FO

That is the worst idea I've ever heard. Let's let MG pull down the whole industry. I can see it now, every other airline during their negotiations would then use, "allegiant doesn't need dues checkoff so we don't need it either" race to the bottom. Grow a pair and hold the line for once guys! We are in this together, or do you want our union to be as strong as the FA`s?? Dues checkoff/closed shop is non-negotiable.

EngFail

There are many examples of undemocratic compulsory ‘contributions’ in the usa. Like I paid off my mortgage, but if I don’t pay my property taxes, I’ll be forcibly evicted from my land. I think that is ridiculous. Closed shop, dues check off. It will be a just deserved insult to our ceo, who has a maniacal hatred for unions and pilots. Hence, his ‘Us against Them’ hats.

sportsting3

Any Idea about the July 16th-17th ORD Meet and Greet? I want to attend, you know what class they will be hiring into from that?

EngFail

Dude there’s a door prize for anyone who shows up wearing an ‘Us against Them’ hat; Assistant chief pilot, base and aircraft of your choice.

G4er

Maybe I'm confused but are the new Airbuses in 2014 and beyond an investment? Or the Airbus sim, or the new headquarters? To name a few. Planned 70 Airbuses by 2018.