Allegiant Air
07-16-2015 | 01:45 PM
#3211
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Joined: Aug 2014
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From: MD80
So I ask someone to take their own advice....
I didn't see you call out the person who said the pilot group will give new hires a cold shoulder. I did.
I came from a regional and it was the best thing I ever did. My wife loves that I am home every night. If you move to where you are based, life is good. Yes, this place sucks for commuters.
I realize that some people like to go on the web boards and have some delusion that if they spew forth stuff that they do not even believe that they will be able to dry up the applicants and that will somehow get us a contract sooner.
How about doing this.. Post the stuff that is real (unreliable aircraft, no work rules, TDYing, no contract, poor mx etc)
But don't post stuff that in bs
We are going to keep filling our classes anyway so you do not have to lie to the potential new hires that are reading the post.
I didn't see you call out the person who said the pilot group will give new hires a cold shoulder. I did.
I came from a regional and it was the best thing I ever did. My wife loves that I am home every night. If you move to where you are based, life is good. Yes, this place sucks for commuters.
I realize that some people like to go on the web boards and have some delusion that if they spew forth stuff that they do not even believe that they will be able to dry up the applicants and that will somehow get us a contract sooner.
How about doing this.. Post the stuff that is real (unreliable aircraft, no work rules, TDYing, no contract, poor mx etc)
But don't post stuff that in bs
We are going to keep filling our classes anyway so you do not have to lie to the potential new hires that are reading the post.
First, I too came from a regional and was very happy when I first hired. I was home every night with lots of time off. Now...I routinely work stretches of 13 out of 15 days and a stretch of 3 days off is a rarity. My wife was happy at first, but now she has given me her 100% support to seek employment elsewhere. A three or four day trip with a stretch of days off after sounds like a dream to us now. You are going to ask if I have applied to a regional and the answer is no. I am not going to go from my current pay rate to minimum wage again. Would I recommend a regional pilot to come here? Not if they can help it. You will call it hypocritical, but it really is comparing apples to oranges. I am working hard to get a phone call from one of the legacies and a couple of other places.
Second, I have addressed the real concerns in this thread in previous posts, just like I did last night. If you think that a system CP that routinely drops F bombs in front of recurrent classes and refuses to address safety concerns isn't a valid issue I think you are wrong. It demonstrates the hostile and unprofessional management mentality that trickles down from the top. I noticed you just glossed over that and didn't address that in your response. You just called it BS. Why is that? Truth hurt? We both know the example I mentioned in my post last night is spot on and there are literally hundreds of pilots that have seen this first hand.
This place has serious issues with mx, TDY and a lack of work rules. Those have been hammered out over the last 300+ pages. I'd suggest you'd go back and read those. I noticed you just started posting recently. Some classes are getting filled but I do know for a fact that a class a few months ago only had 16 people show up and 28 were invited. Keep your head in the sand and don't listen to your troops and everything will always be right in your world. I have had friends from my previous carrier that were invited to interviews and decided not to go because of this thread. It is scaring away some of the most talented in the industry.
07-16-2015 | 02:50 PM
#3212
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Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 1,072
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From: CA
Meanwhile AAY stock closed above $200 today.....
07-16-2015 | 03:08 PM
#3214
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 880
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From: Airbus 319/320 Captain
So a regional guy trapped at a dying regional with no hope of upgrade for years if ever, should turn down the automatic pay increase by coming to Allegiant. As bad as second year pay is at Allegiant, it's still as much or more than than you will make as a regional captain. Let's not forget the fact that upgrades at many regionals are in the 6 to 8 year range. If regional are so great, why don't you go to one?
Allegiant is no legacy and it has more than it's fair share of problems. Telling guys to stay in the slums they call regionals just makes you sound stupid.
Allegiant is no legacy and it has more than it's fair share of problems. Telling guys to stay in the slums they call regionals just makes you sound stupid.
07-16-2015 | 03:25 PM
#3215
Banned
Joined: Apr 2014
Posts: 481
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From: Da Bus
Clunkerdriver, why don't you be more specific about all the shady things you do to pit your certificate on the line?
07-16-2015 | 03:54 PM
#3216
Banned
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 1,006
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From: doggy style
07-16-2015 | 04:03 PM
#3217
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Joined: Jun 2015
Posts: 174
Likes: 4
Hmmmm.....YEP! If I was in that position, absolutely. I'd rather keep a crappy regional job with low pay but at least my certificate isn't on the line every time I get on an airplane, my life isn't being risked and I don't have to deal with a hostile, morally obtuse management. We always think the grass is greener on the other side but i'm sorry, the AAY grass is just manure......
Oh and I'm not at a regional because I already paid my dues and was at one over 5 years before I went to Allegiant. What else you got??
Oh and I'm not at a regional because I already paid my dues and was at one over 5 years before I went to Allegiant. What else you got??
07-16-2015 | 04:14 PM
#3218
On Reserve
Joined: Jun 2015
Posts: 174
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Wow....that didn't take long to respond. Something I said must have hit home.
First, I too came from a regional and was very happy when I first hired. I was home every night with lots of time off. Now...I routinely work stretches of 13 out of 15 days and a stretch of 3 days off is a rarity. My wife was happy at first, but now she has given me her 100% support to seek employment elsewhere. A three or four day trip with a stretch of days off after sounds like a dream to us now. You are going to ask if I have applied to a regional and the answer is no. I am not going to go from my current pay rate to minimum wage again. Would I recommend a regional pilot to come here? Not if they can help it. You will call it hypocritical, but it really is comparing apples to oranges. I am working hard to get a phone call from one of the legacies and a couple of other places.
Second, I have addressed the real concerns in this thread in previous posts, just like I did last night. If you think that a system CP that routinely drops F bombs in front of recurrent classes and refuses to address safety concerns isn't a valid issue I think you are wrong. It demonstrates the hostile and unprofessional management mentality that trickles down from the top. I noticed you just glossed over that and didn't address that in your response. You just called it BS. Why is that? Truth hurt? We both know the example I mentioned in my post last night is spot on and there are literally hundreds of pilots that have seen this first hand.
This place has serious issues with mx, TDY and a lack of work rules. Those have been hammered out over the last 300+ pages. I'd suggest you'd go back and read those. I noticed you just started posting recently. Some classes are getting filled but I do know for a fact that a class a few months ago only had 16 people show up and 28 were invited. Keep your head in the sand and don't listen to your troops and everything will always be right in your world. I have had friends from my previous carrier that were invited to interviews and decided not to go because of this thread. It is scaring away some of the most talented in the industry.
First, I too came from a regional and was very happy when I first hired. I was home every night with lots of time off. Now...I routinely work stretches of 13 out of 15 days and a stretch of 3 days off is a rarity. My wife was happy at first, but now she has given me her 100% support to seek employment elsewhere. A three or four day trip with a stretch of days off after sounds like a dream to us now. You are going to ask if I have applied to a regional and the answer is no. I am not going to go from my current pay rate to minimum wage again. Would I recommend a regional pilot to come here? Not if they can help it. You will call it hypocritical, but it really is comparing apples to oranges. I am working hard to get a phone call from one of the legacies and a couple of other places.
Second, I have addressed the real concerns in this thread in previous posts, just like I did last night. If you think that a system CP that routinely drops F bombs in front of recurrent classes and refuses to address safety concerns isn't a valid issue I think you are wrong. It demonstrates the hostile and unprofessional management mentality that trickles down from the top. I noticed you just glossed over that and didn't address that in your response. You just called it BS. Why is that? Truth hurt? We both know the example I mentioned in my post last night is spot on and there are literally hundreds of pilots that have seen this first hand.
This place has serious issues with mx, TDY and a lack of work rules. Those have been hammered out over the last 300+ pages. I'd suggest you'd go back and read those. I noticed you just started posting recently. Some classes are getting filled but I do know for a fact that a class a few months ago only had 16 people show up and 28 were invited. Keep your head in the sand and don't listen to your troops and everything will always be right in your world. I have had friends from my previous carrier that were invited to interviews and decided not to go because of this thread. It is scaring away some of the most talented in the industry.
I am Pro Union and pro striking (which I voted for) but I am against the few drama queens on here that spew forth untruths and ones who give advice but won't take their own advice. And yes I agree management is full of lies but as a pilot group we do not have to sink to their level. If calling out the Drama Queens offends you. So be it.
07-16-2015 | 04:43 PM
#3219
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Joined: May 2014
Posts: 54
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From: Left seat
So I hear the NMB is happy with the progress of negotiations and suggests pushing forward...no release in sight. Apparently the offer presented to us, which amounts to concessions is deemed progress and negotiating in good faith. What the ....?! Man, I was holding out for a call from a legacy but now I'm thinking JetBlue or Virgin may not be bad options. Just sad!!
07-16-2015 | 05:13 PM
#3220
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Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 1,072
Likes: 17
From: CA
The NMB? Just another political government entity. Happy with the FAA? Talked with your friendly IRS agent lately? The NMB serve one master - DC. Who certainly know which side their bread is buttered on.
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