So I ask someone to take their own advice....
I didn't see you call out the person who said the pilot group will give new hires a cold shoulder. I did.
I came from a regional and it was the best thing I ever did. My wife loves that I am home every night. If you move to where you are based, life is good. Yes, this place sucks for commuters.
I realize that some people like to go on the web boards and have some delusion that if they spew forth stuff that they do not even believe that they will be able to dry up the applicants and that will somehow get us a contract sooner.
How about doing this.. Post the stuff that is real (unreliable aircraft, no work rules, TDYing, no contract, poor mx etc)
But don't post stuff that in bs
We are going to keep filling our classes anyway so you do not have to lie to the potential new hires that are reading the post.

 

Walks like a duck....talks like a duck...

 

If you're going to fill your new hire classes anyways, why would you care? Cease operations before you KIA and don't pretend that the pilot group is the only one spewing BS. WTFU.

 

Stock has hit an all time high. The drop due to the strike threat in April has been completely erased. MG is sitting on $800 million while they sit across the negotiating table and pound their fists over pennies. The operation is in shambles without even the slightest interest in management to make it better, and it appears Wall St couldn't care less. Only 2 things will precipitate a change now. One, the NMB pulls its head out its rear end and releases the pilots or two, a catastrophe. I sure hope the it's the first one.

 

So a regional guy trapped at a dying regional with no hope of upgrade for years if ever, should turn down the automatic pay increase by coming to Allegiant. As bad as second year pay is at Allegiant, it's still as much or more than than you will make as a regional captain. Let's not forget the fact that upgrades at many regionals are in the 6 to 8 year range. If regional are so great, why don't you go to one?

Allegiant is no legacy and it has more than it's fair share of problems. Telling guys to stay in the slums they call regionals just makes you sound stupid.

 

I'm right there with you. A strike is probably what it will have to come to. Management has every intention of dragging negotiations out until the bitter end. It's all a game and they benefit at our expense. It's an industry wide problem. How long have Republic and Expressjet been on the same 5 year contract now? Delta made 1 billion dollars last quarter alone and claims they cancelled their order for 60 planes because the mean old pilots won't except concessions.

The system is built to favor management most of the time. Our only reliable weapon is to deny our services to management. If it were up to me, we would all have one union seniority number. Your seniority number would dictate your pay in regards to longevity. No more starting at first year pay when you change jobs. You would still be at the bottom of a company seniority list for bidding and upgrade purposes, but you would be paid in relation to your national longevity rate.

 

Agree with this 100%.

 

I agree with you folks the entire system is biased to more or less allow corporations to do what they want while maintaining the barest allowable labor voice to preserve appearances & keep the ghost of Teddy Roosevelt at bay.

My prediction is another couple years of this to get released & at the last minute things actually get done. These guys are experts at this and yes, management will step over a dollar to pick up a a dime, negotiations - wise.

Seen it all before, MG is nothing new I guess a lot of you are too young to remember Bob Crandall, Steve Wolf, etc... but it's a tried-and-true playbook.

 

Hmmmm.....YEP! If I was in that position, absolutely. I'd rather keep a crappy regional job with low pay but at least my certificate isn't on the line every time I get on an airplane, my life isn't being risked and I don't have to deal with a hostile, morally obtuse management. We always think the grass is greener on the other side but i'm sorry, the AAY grass is just manure......

Oh and I'm not at a regional because I already paid my dues and was at one over 5 years before I went to Allegiant. What else you got??

 

If you feel your certificate is on the line every time you get in the airplane, then maybe you're to blame I never feel that way. A true professional wouldn't allow themselves to be in that position. Maybe you should just quit and change careers. You don't sound suited for this line of work. With your attitude, you sound like a danger to your passengers and your fellow crewmembers.