Allegiant Air
07-16-2015, 03:25 PM
#3201
Banned
Joined APC: Apr 2014
Position: Da Bus
Posts: 481
Originally Posted by brianb
He's telling you so that you don't make a burning hole in the ground or would you prefer to find out the hard way? WTFU
Clunkerdriver, why don't you be more specific about all the shady things you do to pit your certificate on the line?
07-16-2015, 03:54 PM
#3202
Banned
Joined APC: Nov 2008
Position: doggy style
Posts: 1,006
Originally Posted by Uncle Wurmy
07-16-2015, 04:03 PM
#3203
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2015
Posts: 145
Originally Posted by clunkerdrv
Hmmmm.....YEP! If I was in that position, absolutely. I'd rather keep a crappy regional job with low pay but at least my certificate isn't on the line every time I get on an airplane, my life isn't being risked and I don't have to deal with a hostile, morally obtuse management. We always think the grass is greener on the other side but i'm sorry, the AAY grass is just manure......
Oh and I'm not at a regional because I already paid my dues and was at one over 5 years before I went to Allegiant. What else you got??
Oh and I'm not at a regional because I already paid my dues and was at one over 5 years before I went to Allegiant. What else you got??
07-16-2015, 04:14 PM
#3204
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Joined APC: Jun 2015
Posts: 145
Originally Posted by ValuGiant
Wow....that didn't take long to respond. Something I said must have hit home.
First, I too came from a regional and was very happy when I first hired. I was home every night with lots of time off. Now...I routinely work stretches of 13 out of 15 days and a stretch of 3 days off is a rarity. My wife was happy at first, but now she has given me her 100% support to seek employment elsewhere. A three or four day trip with a stretch of days off after sounds like a dream to us now. You are going to ask if I have applied to a regional and the answer is no. I am not going to go from my current pay rate to minimum wage again. Would I recommend a regional pilot to come here? Not if they can help it. You will call it hypocritical, but it really is comparing apples to oranges. I am working hard to get a phone call from one of the legacies and a couple of other places.
Second, I have addressed the real concerns in this thread in previous posts, just like I did last night. If you think that a system CP that routinely drops F bombs in front of recurrent classes and refuses to address safety concerns isn't a valid issue I think you are wrong. It demonstrates the hostile and unprofessional management mentality that trickles down from the top. I noticed you just glossed over that and didn't address that in your response. You just called it BS. Why is that? Truth hurt? We both know the example I mentioned in my post last night is spot on and there are literally hundreds of pilots that have seen this first hand.
This place has serious issues with mx, TDY and a lack of work rules. Those have been hammered out over the last 300+ pages. I'd suggest you'd go back and read those. I noticed you just started posting recently. Some classes are getting filled but I do know for a fact that a class a few months ago only had 16 people show up and 28 were invited. Keep your head in the sand and don't listen to your troops and everything will always be right in your world. I have had friends from my previous carrier that were invited to interviews and decided not to go because of this thread. It is scaring away some of the most talented in the industry.
First, I too came from a regional and was very happy when I first hired. I was home every night with lots of time off. Now...I routinely work stretches of 13 out of 15 days and a stretch of 3 days off is a rarity. My wife was happy at first, but now she has given me her 100% support to seek employment elsewhere. A three or four day trip with a stretch of days off after sounds like a dream to us now. You are going to ask if I have applied to a regional and the answer is no. I am not going to go from my current pay rate to minimum wage again. Would I recommend a regional pilot to come here? Not if they can help it. You will call it hypocritical, but it really is comparing apples to oranges. I am working hard to get a phone call from one of the legacies and a couple of other places.
Second, I have addressed the real concerns in this thread in previous posts, just like I did last night. If you think that a system CP that routinely drops F bombs in front of recurrent classes and refuses to address safety concerns isn't a valid issue I think you are wrong. It demonstrates the hostile and unprofessional management mentality that trickles down from the top. I noticed you just glossed over that and didn't address that in your response. You just called it BS. Why is that? Truth hurt? We both know the example I mentioned in my post last night is spot on and there are literally hundreds of pilots that have seen this first hand.
This place has serious issues with mx, TDY and a lack of work rules. Those have been hammered out over the last 300+ pages. I'd suggest you'd go back and read those. I noticed you just started posting recently. Some classes are getting filled but I do know for a fact that a class a few months ago only had 16 people show up and 28 were invited. Keep your head in the sand and don't listen to your troops and everything will always be right in your world. I have had friends from my previous carrier that were invited to interviews and decided not to go because of this thread. It is scaring away some of the most talented in the industry.
I am Pro Union and pro striking (which I voted for) but I am against the few drama queens on here that spew forth untruths and ones who give advice but won't take their own advice. And yes I agree management is full of lies but as a pilot group we do not have to sink to their level. If calling out the Drama Queens offends you. So be it.
07-16-2015, 04:43 PM
#3205
Line Holder
Joined APC: May 2014
Position: Left seat
Posts: 54
So I hear the NMB is happy with the progress of negotiations and suggests pushing forward...no release in sight. Apparently the offer presented to us, which amounts to concessions is deemed progress and negotiating in good faith. What the ....?! Man, I was holding out for a call from a legacy but now I'm thinking JetBlue or Virgin may not be bad options. Just sad!!
07-16-2015, 05:13 PM
#3206
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Joined APC: Oct 2010
Position: Airbus CA
Posts: 910
The NMB? Just another political government entity. Happy with the FAA? Talked with your friendly IRS agent lately? The NMB serve one master - DC. Who certainly know which side their bread is buttered on.
07-16-2015, 06:29 PM
#3207
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Joined APC: Jul 2014
Position: gear polisher
Posts: 32
Originally Posted by disco inferno
No, he is being a drama queen. It's really simple; if you see something broken, then write it up. If it isn't fixed to your satisfaction then it's your job to refuse the aircraft until you're satisfied. I won't take an aircraft I feel is unsafe. Why would he? If I felt I was in danger every time I went to work, I'd quit. I'm calling B.S. here. That or you're a fool for continuing on every day doing something "unsafe".
Clunkerdriver, why don't you be more specific about all the shady things you do to pit your certificate on the line?
Clunkerdriver, why don't you be more specific about all the shady things you do to pit your certificate on the line?
07-16-2015, 07:49 PM
#3208
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Joined APC: Sep 2014
Posts: 47
Originally Posted by disco inferno
No, he is being a drama queen. It's really simple; if you see something broken, then write it up. If it isn't fixed to your satisfaction then it's your job to refuse the aircraft until you're satisfied. I won't take an aircraft I feel is unsafe. Why would he? If I felt I was in danger every time I went to work, I'd quit. I'm calling B.S. here. That or you're a fool for continuing on every day doing something "unsafe".
Clunkerdriver, why don't you be more specific about all the shady things you do to pit your certificate on the line?
Clunkerdriver, why don't you be more specific about all the shady things you do to pit your certificate on the line?
What does one do then? Allegiant crews have to deal with situations like this everyday, no?
07-16-2015, 08:22 PM
#3209
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Joined APC: Sep 2014
Posts: 390
Originally Posted by Hotel Pen
Disco where do you work, Value-Giant? Its not always as simple as "if its broke, just write it up." If you worked at G4 you would know that. Many times things have been written up multiple times and then signed off; to the point where the crew knows an item is INOP but MX has just signed it off so the logbook is clean...
What does one do then? Allegiant crews have to deal with situations like this everyday, no?
What does one do then? Allegiant crews have to deal with situations like this everyday, no?
That's just engines, I could go on for days.
07-16-2015, 08:43 PM
#3210
Banned
Joined APC: Apr 2014
Position: Da Bus
Posts: 481
Originally Posted by Hotel Pen
Disco where do you work, Value-Giant? Its not always as simple as "if its broke, just write it up." If you worked at G4 you would know that. Many times things have been written up multiple times and then signed off; to the point where the crew knows an item is INOP but MX has just signed it off so the logbook is clean...
What does one do then? Allegiant crews have to deal with situations like this everyday, no?
What does one do then? Allegiant crews have to deal with situations like this everyday, no?
About 3 years ago at my former airline (one of the better regionals) I had an early morning flight into IAD. The whole east coast was socked in with horrible weather. We did a Cat 2 right down to mins and barely made it in. Luckily for me scheduling took me off my trip and sent me to the hotel. The hotel was still serving breakfast when I arrived, so I dropped my bags in my room and came back downstairs. As I'm sitting there eating breakfast and another crew from my company are checking out their release on their phones next to me. The captain turns to his FO and says "whoa man, did you see all of these MEL's?" He continues telling his FO that the Autopilot and yaw damper, one pack, the radar altimeter and a few other things were MEL'd too. So asked them "where are you going?" "Houston", they responded. The weather in Houston was about as bad as IAD. They had a takeoff alternate and their alternate for Houston was less than spectacular. I looked at the captain and asked "you aren't really going to accept that plane are you?" He gave me a sheepish look and said "do you think we should refuse it?" My response was something to the effect of "hellll yes!" I couldn't believe they were considering an almost 3 hour flight with bad weather everywhere and multiple MEL's that would compound any problem that may arise.
Pilot pushing is not a new phenomenon in the airline world. I bet every pilot at every airline has a story like mine from either first hand knowledge or from someone they know. This is where good Aeronautical Decision Making and asserting your authority as captain or even FO comes into play. Every airline is guilty of cutting corners when they get caught in a pinch. Delays, short staffing, broken airplanes timed out crews and on and on..... Scheduling and MX are always trying to pull a fast one. They aren't the ones who have to worry about getting killed. It's our professional duty to step in and stop some lunkhead MX department or scheduler from pushing us into doing something we know is unsafe. Man up and do the right thing. If they want to fire you for that, then you probably don't want to work for that place anyway. Better yet, sue them and report them to the FAA and media.
I have no illusions that Allegiant isn't trying to cut corners where they can. I have yet to see a logbook or release that has made me question the safety of the aircraft. Then again, I was hired into the Airbus. Maybe that has something to do with it. I'm no G4 cheerleader. Heck, I have my apps out just like 90% of the guys here. I'm sure as hell not going to risk my life or certificates for Allegiant or anyone else. I will speak up as soon as I feel the need to. Even as a lowly FO, if I'm not happy with something, I'm not going.
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