It doesn't look like you're in any danger of getting bumped out of PIE, Tom, so it's easy for you to scoff.

I say a death blow, because contrary to popular belief over at HQ, the planes make the money here. ****ed off, unproductive pilots don't go above and beyond to keep the operation running. I think yesterday was the last straw for a lot of pilots who are going to make a personal choice to do the minimum of their job and let the system work from now on. This company used to be a lean machine, but when VFNs are going out and flights are being delayed hours or canceled, passengers regret that cheap fare and tell their friends on social media. This isn't a good time for an airline to **** off those who control their revenue, yet they keep doing it.

You're right, they will get pilots, but they won't be quality. Talk to some people involved with training the last few classes. a lot of them had issues.

I think MG finally overplayed his hand.

 

I'm not scoffing, just trying to project a reasonable analysis without emotion. Your tone would indicate that because I think your analysis is somewhat flawed, that I side with the company. I do not.

 

It's human nature to have emotion, especially when in stressful, life changing, situations. It's unreasonable to expect everyone to approach this with android like logic.

Bombshells like the one they dropped yesterday definitely affect the psyche and morale of employees. We know that they don't care what we think or how we feel, but they will care when their decisions start to affect their profitability. If they think this will save them money, than perhaps they need to go back to business school, because I guarantee, with 100% certainty that this will cost them even more than just leaving things as they were. Union busting has a cost, and the long term aspects aren't good. The kind of union busting they are doing has been proven decade after decade to only strengthen the resolve of the employee group, at the company's detriment. Maybe they should stop listening to their law firm so much… they are the only winners here as billable hours skyrocket.

Investor conference on the 28th should be interesting. I guess we will see if the investors are paying attention. Severe labor strife never helps the stock price.

 

Rumors over at Frontier are 500 newhires in 2021, and hiring starts in January. Good news for our furloughees and those who avoided furlough, but are sick of the abuse over here.

 

People used to say that your worst day at Allegiant is better than your best day at a regional. With the current management group that is 100% false. I can honestly say this place is far worse than the regional I came from many years ago. When the time comes that Allegiant starts to hire again, anybody who applies here needs a sanity check. Stick it out wherever you are until you can be hired somewhere that has a shred of respect for you as a human being.

 

This place is making Mesa look good. They did okay for a while, but right around the time they put an ex flight attendant in charge of flight operations, it started going down hill. Now it’s literally the worst place I’ve ever worked, and I’ve worked some crappy flying jobs. I’ve never seen a management group so eager to violate or twist agreements they have signed and attack their “valued employees”. They have declared war on us simply because we won’t take pandemic concessions after they increased their cash reserves by 200 million this year. Anyone who comes to work here, or anyone in the bottom 50% of this seniority list who stays here, needs a psych test. It’s like having an abusive spouse.

 

My experience with this sort of management philosophy is you wind up with employees who act in kind & you are in a viscous circle that ultimately the customers and shareholders pay for. In the end you just end up with a really bad airline; think usair in 2004.

 

Can you elaborate what is so bad about Allegiant? This is coming from someone who has never dealt with 121 or unions before so feel free to give me the sesame street version.

 

our company despises us. They agreed to our contract, then routinely violate openly and without even pretending they made a mistake. They have lost arbitration after arbitration and still refuse to even accept the arbitration decision.

 

Nope, still 100% true. The vast majority I fly with completely disagree you.

I am so disappinted with what happened regarding furloughs and with particular management folk. It’s disgraceful. But your statement is completely impulsive. If you’re getting furloughed, I understand it.