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Old 11-02-2017 | 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Sliceback
He said mid 2013 DOH for upgrade. There's a significant bump between early and mid 2013 DOH's -

4/2013 = 12,2xx
5/2013 = 12,3xx
6/2013 = 12,45x
10/2013 = 12,48x

So first 2013 DOH to 'summer' 2013 is 700-800 numbers.

I'd find the difference between junior CA last year vs 12 months later in 2017, add maybe 150(?) numbers for the increased retirements and that would be my guess for the junior CA number a year from now.
I was saying I don’t see 2013 hires mixed in with 1999 hires.
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Old 11-02-2017 | 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Sliceback
Another factor is the increase in additional G4 a/c. Line holding FO pays the same as 76 hrs of G2 CA rsv pay. The decision to give up 75% relative seniority, in a great gig, to upgrade to junior n/b domestic CA on reserve, makes G4 FO's pause. It's a constant topic of discussion since 1538 of 1541 G4 FO's are senior to the junior CA in the system.
A330 has 389 FO jobs, of which approx 330 (Nov bid) of them are senior to the system junior CA (Jan bid).

So roughly 1930 G4 FO jobs, of which 1868 of them are senior to the junior captain in the system.
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Old 11-02-2017 | 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Al Czervik
I was saying I don’t see 2013 hires mixed in with 1999 hires.
It's 11,686 up to 11,918.

Actually 1998 and 1999 hires are mixed in with 2013 DOH's for about 230 numbers.
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Old 11-03-2017 | 02:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Sliceback
It's 11,686 up to 11,918.

Actually 1998 and 1999 hires are mixed in with 2013 DOH's for about 230 numbers.
I’m not sure what list you’re looking at. The latest company list has 11,685 as the first 2013 hire. There are ZERO 1999 or 2001 hires in between that and 11,918. They are all 2001.
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Old 11-03-2017 | 03:11 AM
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A big potential stumbling block for all this would be the elimination of D and I divisions.

I’m sure this is the plan, and that will mean a good many fewer pilots to cover the same flying.
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Old 11-03-2017 | 03:16 AM
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D&I is long gone. Just a matter of when and Miami (largest one of split) is combined next year. The rest is minimal compared to Miami.

It won’t be as bad but pilots voted yes. Miami number of flights on the narrow body equipment (departures a day) isn’t close to equivalent to the number of bodies they have on the narrow bodies. It’ll be hurt some but can’t imagine it’ll be as bad as implied.
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Old 11-03-2017 | 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Al Czervik
I’m not seeing the same scramble. What I can see is the most senior 2013 hire is 11,6xx I see him surrounded by 2001 hires. The last of the 1999 hires are mixed with 2004 guys.
2001 guys are mostly TWA.
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Old 11-03-2017 | 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by meyers9163
D&I is long gone. Just a matter of when and Miami (largest one of split) is combined next year. The rest is minimal compared to Miami.

It won’t be as bad but pilots voted yes. Miami number of flights on the narrow body equipment (departures a day) isn’t close to equivalent to the number of bodies they have on the narrow bodies. It’ll be hurt some but can’t imagine it’ll be as bad as implied.
Should help international reserves that think they are off the hook only to have a domestic transfer trip pop up.
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Old 11-04-2017 | 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Al Czervik
I’m not sure what list you’re looking at. The latest company list has 11,685 as the first 2013 hire. There are ZERO 1999 or 2001 hires in between that and 11,918. They are all 2001.
You’re correct. I mentally switched their company date, which for f/t’s was earlier, with their Occ Seniority date, which is how I wandered off
into the woods...
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Old 11-04-2017 | 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Sliceback
You’re correct. I mentally switched their company date, which for f/t’s was earlier, with their Occ Seniority date, which is how I wandered off
into the woods...
I spend a lot of time there.
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