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01-13-2018, 12:48 PM

#221

FlyingHercs

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So if this is voted “no”, what next? Does it go back for further negotiations or get dropped all together and all the pilot group gets is the extra pay already agreed to?

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01-13-2018, 12:53 PM

#222

mainlineAF

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Originally Posted by aa73

It’s split evenly down the middle from what I’ve heard. But the union is being inundated with Vote No sound offs, so my gut feeling is that it will be voted down.

Mass hysteria from the uneducated.

01-13-2018, 02:27 PM

#223

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Originally Posted by mainlineAF

Mass hysteria from the uneducated.

UNEDUCATED is the key word...

Most “NO” pilots I have talked to are basing their info on 2nd hand BS heard in the crew room.

Most have not watched or have no clue about the AW podcast or JW video...

Some of the reasons for wanting a NO vote are absurd and don’t even come close to what is really included in the AIP...

01-13-2018, 03:17 PM

#224

sumwherelse

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Originally Posted by Sandhawk

Just out of curiosity why do you Lend more credence to a podcast over a blast by another BOD member? The trick is to take all of the opinions and all of the information and make a decision based on that.

Personally, I think the whole thing was a botch job from the beginning, but the one thing that makes me a no is the weak implementation language. We can't even get our contract implemented, and we are to believe that a mere million bucks a month will persuade them to implement this? That's just silly and amounts to all gains for the company and nothing for us. Like I have said before we should be achieving not retreating!

01-14-2018, 05:53 AM

#225

jcountry

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I continue to be amazed by APA.....

How they somehow turned huge leverage into a 3 ring **** show we now have is incredible.

They should have just come away from the table and said “hey, folks. No deal. The company really ****ed up, but they don’t want to play ball. Enjoy your holidays off.”

Would be better than this mess we now have.

And seriously..... How did we even arrive at this point? How does one turn tremendous leverage into this nonsense?

01-14-2018, 09:43 AM

#226

Mover

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Originally Posted by mainlineAF

Mass hysteria from the uneducated.

All you have to do is read Attachment 3.

If it's not a concession, why don't we just drop it and get ACD/LOS?

01-14-2018, 09:45 AM

#227

Mover

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Originally Posted by Sandhawk

I've watched both. ACD is great IF it ever gets implemented. Not worth concessions in exchange for a soft implementation schedule.

01-14-2018, 10:17 AM

#228

AFTrainerGuy

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mover

I've watched both. ACD is great IF it ever gets implemented. Not worth concessions in exchange for a soft implementation schedule.

This is my problem too. Simply put, I just don’t trust them to implement it. Tie it to DOTC/RAS and I’d be at APA HQ screaming for a yes vote.

Maybe I’m wrong and this wouldn’t be the first time, but the last few years of unimplemented items, “IT issues”, and other BS has soured my trust in AA management.

Either way it goes, I’m not going to lose sleep over it. I really don’t get a say anyway

Best thing I think they could do is keep kicking can on the vote and work out all the fine details. There just isn’t any rush that i see to vote either way. I’m guessing they picked 16th because vacation posts on 15th and they can see float results?

01-14-2018, 10:23 AM

#229

mainlineAF

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mover

All you have to do is read Attachment 3.

If it's not a concession, why don't we just drop it and get ACD/LOS?

I have. I don’t have a problem with it for what we are getting.

01-14-2018, 05:11 PM

#230

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Originally Posted by aa73

I know I’ve gone back & forth but I’m sure I’m not the only one.

I've gone back and forth too. But I agree with you on this one for the reasons you put forth. Saying no costs the company nothing. I mean really...nothing. In fact, it tells them we fixed Christmas for free. They'll just say "see you in 2020."