Phoenix Domicile Questions
01-31-2019, 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by drinksonme
Fair enough I’ll give you that, but LAA presence at RDU was never like it is in PHX now. And I never said it was going to be flown by PHX crews. It is just an example of the company positioning assets and they thought having 777 in PHX is a good idea.
In the end, I don't see PHX closing as a base/domicile at all. Hawaii is too lucrative, as evidenced by 32X plans. Not to mention all the reserve comments highlighted above.
01-31-2019, 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by RhinoBallAuto
That was exactly my point... you can't make the argument that PHX is immune from closure solely because it is getting 777 service to somewhere. They don't need a base of any flavor there in order to start that kind of flying, hence the RDU example. That being said, I'll grant you it will may need some sort of feeder service in order to accomplish that (I have no idea what sort of local demand PHX would generate for LHR).
In the end, I don't see PHX closing as a base/domicile at all. Hawaii is too lucrative, as evidenced by 32X plans. Not to mention all the reserve comments highlighted above.
In the end, I don't see PHX closing as a base/domicile at all. Hawaii is too lucrative, as evidenced by 32X plans. Not to mention all the reserve comments highlighted above.
Hawaiian is using the 321 very well, but they only launch it to the mainland out of Honolulu....the runway is not an issue. They don’t use it out of the smaller islands. And they use the 330 to PHX, even out of Honolulu. If anyone knows capabilities of a plane out of a Hawaiian city, it’s Hawaiian. They don’t even use the 321 out of Honolulu to PHX
And last point, and sorry for the ramble, as I’ve been told Hawaii is not lucrative. It’s full of non revs and passengers cashing in their miles under there frequent flyer plans. Lastly, it is a market battle since almost every airline does Hawaii flying. If Southwest ever gets it figured out, it will be a race to the bottom on ticket price
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01-31-2019, 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by RhinoBallAuto
(I have no idea what sort of local demand PHX would generate for LHR).
01-31-2019, 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by AZFlyer
Just a point of reference, but BA has been sending 2x747s to PHX per day in the peak travel season. It looks like one of the BA 747s will be going away and is to be replaced by the AA 777. Not sure what the O&D traffic for the route is, but total demand and economics suits two large jets per day, apparently.
02-01-2019, 06:48 AM
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Originally Posted by drinksonme
Ha, you completely spun what I said. I am going to shock you....I am not a westie....I actually started on the east.
What I was saying was East Pilots, not all just some who had a grudge (and many west pilots did too), spewed for years the demise of PHX eventually, and especially, after the merger was finished. It was pure uneducated anger about the LUS/LAWA situation. And that rumor permeated so high that many believed it and many thought it true when PHX drew down staffing levels after the SLI. So much so they Parker and Isom were asked countless time about it, from crew news to investors, that they had/have to endless say PHX is an important hub for the system.
Good for CLT getting international, but they have lost some too, AND, the 737 is just as invasive in CLT as PHX. Saying cause you fly through PHX more is short sighted. Maybe your 737 base covers PHX more while another 737 base covers CLT more.
And yes, a 777 to London is a big deal for PHX. It obviously indicates a small international market is needed there. Regardless of which base is flying it. It would kinda be dumb to start flying to a major international city in a base you plan to shrink or close.
What I was saying was East Pilots, not all just some who had a grudge (and many west pilots did too), spewed for years the demise of PHX eventually, and especially, after the merger was finished. It was pure uneducated anger about the LUS/LAWA situation. And that rumor permeated so high that many believed it and many thought it true when PHX drew down staffing levels after the SLI. So much so they Parker and Isom were asked countless time about it, from crew news to investors, that they had/have to endless say PHX is an important hub for the system.
Good for CLT getting international, but they have lost some too, AND, the 737 is just as invasive in CLT as PHX. Saying cause you fly through PHX more is short sighted. Maybe your 737 base covers PHX more while another 737 base covers CLT more.
And yes, a 777 to London is a big deal for PHX. It obviously indicates a small international market is needed there. Regardless of which base is flying it. It would kinda be dumb to start flying to a major international city in a base you plan to shrink or close.
CLT has lost Brazil? However I’m not sure what else you are referring to them losing. Again just keep the facts right because when you throw BS pre US Airways merger stuff into an AA thread it totally disregards your credibility and facts you had presented correctly about PHX.
No one cares about pre merger AA or TWA or AWA and LUS. They care about the now mergered AA.
02-01-2019, 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Rockiepilot
No one cares about pre merger AA or TWA or AWA and LUS. They care about the now mergered AA.
Today and for going forward what matters is your Domicile, A/C, seniority number, QOL, total pay for the year, how many years do you have left.
) Wouldn't be surprised to see PHX go too.
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