52Flyer

How many do they currently have (before the cut)?

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drinksonme

It’s 1/3 of the current FA’s in Phoenix. What the poster who mentioned the 700 neglected to mention was that no flying is being reduced in PHX. This is a right sizing of the base since there integration in Oct. the same thing they did to the pilots in PHX.

RhinoBallAuto

It would actually be worth listening to the relevant part of the 2/13 Crew News, for both FD and cabin crews

NoCheesePlates

Fact check fella, we use the 321 out of Honolulu, Kahului, Kona and Lihue. It's what the frame was brought in to do. And the loads would dictate the 330 is better served HNL-PHX.

drinksonme

Well I stand corrected. Going off of old (wrong) stuff I was told by friend at Hawaiian. Thank you for correcting my false statement.

I will ask then, how many seats are on the the 321neo in the Hawaiian configuration? More specific, are they weight restricted out of the smaller airport and leaving open seats? Lastly, what cities are being served by the 321neo out of the smaller airports? Is PHX, ever served, fully loaded, by a 321neo from the smaller airports, as American is going to try and do? I appreciate you correcting my wrong, but my whole point was that serving PHX from the small airports in Hawaii, with JUST the 321neo (and not at 330 like Hawaiian uses now) is going to be a real test for the plane. If Hawaiian is going small airports to further inland cities like PHX, then I’d like to know what the capacity Hawaiian is able to take. I was wrong, as you pointed out, but are the 321neo’s serving anything other than coastal cities from smaller islands? AA already does that with the non-neo 321...and they are weight restricted coming to the mainland. I am saying, I highly doubt the 321neo will suddenly change the restrictions, and for PHX, be much worse then LAX. Thus putting the PHX Hawaii flying at a loss....especially since it is replacing the 757 on the PHX routes.

R57 relay

What kind of loss? Financial? I doubt it, the huge increase in efficiency of the neo should make up for any seat restrictions. As you said, we have a lot of experience with the ceo out of Hawaii to LAX, so I’m sure it was all taken into consideration.

I heard some stats on the delivery fuel burns on the neo. Wish I’d written them down, and of course the plane was empty, but still impressive.

Name User

Our 757's seat 188 and our 321neo will have 196 on it. Even if they have to block some seats on specific flights that helps...plus the fuel burn is way down and after 20 years airframe maintenance on the 75/76 skyrockets.

It's too bad we didn't hold off on the aircraft order so we could replace everything with the neo and MAX, they run around 15% less on fuel burn than our older ones from the propaganda from Boeing and Airbus.

RhinoBallAuto

Except it isn't lower fuel burn and better economy that gets an airplane out of LIH/OGG, it's more thrust, and neo touts better burn, not better thrust.... I'm curious to see what the breakeven on this discussion ends up looking like...

av8tor55

Our NEOs seat 189. Direct to PHX out of only HNL and OGG right now for the 321. I’m not aware of any weight restrictions out of OGG.

Name User

My point being you can lose 1600 lbs right off the bat and still have the same amount of people on board. And that includes eight additional first class seats!

Then couple that with the reduced fuel burn and the savings add up. Less fuel burn means less fuel to be brought, down 15% on a what, four+ hour flight is roughly 4k in fuel, so 5,500 lbs less required apples to apples.

Honestly do you really think people didn't run the numbers here? I know this is AA but our people aren't completely incompetent. Have some faith, we just move the metal.