Republic Airline Unilateral JS Action
09-06-2019, 06:57 PM
#431
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Originally Posted by jetflyer123
That’s not out of order because the AA travel
Policy clearly states that the AAC code cannot be used for access to the jumpseat. Nice try but since you don’t work here or have a clue what the policy is, don’t talk about going out of order. The gate agent in your scenario followed the policy to the letter.
Policy clearly states that the AAC code cannot be used for access to the jumpseat. Nice try but since you don’t work here or have a clue what the policy is, don’t talk about going out of order. The gate agent in your scenario followed the policy to the letter.
It’s still somewhat out of order since the AAC has priority on the list and is qualified to take the jumpseat. A CASS check could be completed and good to go. I’ll agree with you they are following the policy, there is no reason though policy shouldn’t change, so the list is truly done in order. Cancelling Travel Planner and listing on myID is ridiculous.
09-06-2019, 07:08 PM
#432
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Originally Posted by jetflyer123
If the gate agent closes a flight and you take a delay for a non rev/ JS, the delay is coded to the flight crew. No one said anything about dictating the JS, only clearance down the jetbridge beyond the gate area, which you have no control over.
Personally, I say just let you all do your thing and revoke all AA travel privileges including your AAC priority for seats in the back and ID90. The you could travel as a D6 everywhere like everyone else. That is true reciprocity.
Personally, I say just let you all do your thing and revoke all AA travel privileges including your AAC priority for seats in the back and ID90. The you could travel as a D6 everywhere like everyone else. That is true reciprocity.
Finally your true colors come through. You hate YX and would like us to lose the AA flying and AA nonrev. At least the JS agreement is fair and you are no longer the special brittle snowflake who demands priority without reciprocating it.
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09-06-2019, 07:12 PM
#433
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Originally Posted by magnus0322
You're wrong. The delay goes on the hAAte agent especially for JS issues. You are dictating who gets on the JS and even claiming the gate agent will close the flight and leave the JS open. Guess what, they can close the flight all they want, the plane isn't going anywhere with an empty JS. Delay hAAte agent.
Finally your true colors come through. You hate YX and would like us to lose the AA flying and AA nonrev. At least the JS agreement is fair and you are no longer the special brittle snowflake who demands priority without reciprocating it.
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Finally your true colors come through. You hate YX and would like us to lose the AA flying and AA nonrev. At least the JS agreement is fair and you are no longer the special brittle snowflake who demands priority without reciprocating it.
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The JS belongs to RAH, but the schedule belongs to AAG. Schedule wins.
I know contractors don't get the same access to the flight data as AAG guys do, but you can be 100% sure the gate agent won't get it for JS issues.
09-06-2019, 07:20 PM
#434
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Originally Posted by Nh114
Yes they did follow policy. Also, since we use travel planner, many policies for clearing the standby list are right there under Tools > Help.
It’s still somewhat out of order since the AAC has priority on the list and is qualified to take the jumpseat. A CASS check could be completed and good to go. I’ll agree with you they are following the policy, there is no reason though policy shouldn’t change, so the list is truly done in order. Cancelling Travel Planner and listing on myID is ridiculous.
It’s still somewhat out of order since the AAC has priority on the list and is qualified to take the jumpseat. A CASS check could be completed and good to go. I’ll agree with you they are following the policy, there is no reason though policy shouldn’t change, so the list is truly done in order. Cancelling Travel Planner and listing on myID is ridiculous.
09-06-2019, 07:24 PM
#435
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Originally Posted by magnus0322
You're wrong. The delay goes on the hAAte agent especially for JS issues. You are dictating who gets on the JS and even claiming the gate agent will close the flight and leave the JS open. Guess what, they can close the flight all they want, the plane isn't going anywhere with an empty JS. Delay hAAte agent.
Finally your true colors come through. You hate YX and would like us to lose the AA flying and AA nonrev. At least the JS agreement is fair and you are no longer the special brittle snowflake who demands priority without reciprocating it.
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Finally your true colors come through. You hate YX and would like us to lose the AA flying and AA nonrev. At least the JS agreement is fair and you are no longer the special brittle snowflake who demands priority without reciprocating it.
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09-06-2019, 07:33 PM
#436
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Originally Posted by jetflyer123
No, you’re wrong. As stated in another comment, AAG policy does not allow flight delays for non revs and jumpseaters. So the agent does their job and closes the flight on time, but you refuse to move the airplane, delay = republic flight crew.
If you block out late and you had 3 minutes (this leaves 7 minutes from normal flight closing to deal with issues), the delay is on the flight crew.
These are all timed to the second and logged. If you think AAG gives a damn about your "our FOM JS policy wasn't being respected" excuse, you might want to think again.
09-06-2019, 07:53 PM
#437
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Originally Posted by magnus0322
Finally your true colors come through. You hate YX and would like us to lose the AA flying and AA nonrev. At least the JS agreement is fair and you are no longer the special brittle snowflake who demands priority without reciprocating it.
Imagine that you hired a contractor to remodel the bathroom. Then, the contractor starts acting like it’s his house. He changes the locks, or tries to dictate who and/or under what circumstances family members get to enter your house. Then, he throws shade when you point out the entitled attitude.
You may value the work that the contractor does, and you may even throw in some extra benefits for a job well done. However, the contractor sure as hell isn’t family, and doesn’t get a say in how the house runs.
It may be your metal, and AA pilots are happy to go with industry standard regarding the own metal rule, but as long as that metal says American Eagle on the side you bring nothing to the table mandating reciprocity. Tell the Rev. to get you some Republic Airlines routes...then you can talk about reciprocity.
Delta and American have reciprocity because the each bring their own assets (routes) to the table. SWA and American have reciprocity because they each bring their own asset to the table. You bring AA it’s own asset and start making demands at the table. Why don’t you try to sell me my own car while you’re at it.
09-06-2019, 08:01 PM
#438
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Originally Posted by Whiskey4
I seriously doubt he hates YX. Hell, many AA folks didn’t even know you exist until this conversation come up.
Imagine that you hired a contractor to remodel the bathroom. Then, the contractor starts acting like it’s his house. He changes the locks, or tries to dictate who and/or under what circumstances family members get to enter your house. Then, he throws shade when you point out the entitled attitude.
You may value the work that the contractor does, and you may even throw in some extra benefits for a job well done. However, the contractor sure as hell isn’t family, and doesn’t get a say in how the house runs.
It may be your metal, and AA pilots are happy to go with industry standard regarding the own metal rule, but as long as that metal says American Eagle on the side you bring nothing to the table mandating reciprocity. Tell the Rev. to get you some Republic Airlines routes...then you can talk about reciprocity.
Delta and American have reciprocity because the each bring their own assets (routes) to the table. SWA and American have reciprocity because they each bring their own asset to the table. You bring AA it’s own asset and start making demands at the table. Why don’t you try to sell me my own car while you’re at it.
Imagine that you hired a contractor to remodel the bathroom. Then, the contractor starts acting like it’s his house. He changes the locks, or tries to dictate who and/or under what circumstances family members get to enter your house. Then, he throws shade when you point out the entitled attitude.
You may value the work that the contractor does, and you may even throw in some extra benefits for a job well done. However, the contractor sure as hell isn’t family, and doesn’t get a say in how the house runs.
It may be your metal, and AA pilots are happy to go with industry standard regarding the own metal rule, but as long as that metal says American Eagle on the side you bring nothing to the table mandating reciprocity. Tell the Rev. to get you some Republic Airlines routes...then you can talk about reciprocity.
Delta and American have reciprocity because the each bring their own assets (routes) to the table. SWA and American have reciprocity because they each bring their own asset to the table. You bring AA it’s own asset and start making demands at the table. Why don’t you try to sell me my own car while you’re at it.
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09-06-2019, 08:07 PM
#439
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Originally Posted by dera
The moment you get the closeout, you need and have 3 minutes to block out.
If you block out late and you had 3 minutes (this leaves 7 minutes from normal flight closing to deal with issues), the delay is on the flight crew.
These are all timed to the second and logged. If you think AAG gives a damn about your "our FOM JS policy wasn't being respected" excuse, you might want to think again.
If you block out late and you had 3 minutes (this leaves 7 minutes from normal flight closing to deal with issues), the delay is on the flight crew.
These are all timed to the second and logged. If you think AAG gives a damn about your "our FOM JS policy wasn't being respected" excuse, you might want to think again.
09-06-2019, 08:10 PM
#440
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Originally Posted by magnus0322
I respect your opinion. You will no longer get the priority for the Jumpseat you had on YX up to this point. You are D6. We are D6. Nothing changes on our end. It changes on yours. Who is the entitled here? AA pilots who claim they own the JS on YX and we bring nothing to the table. You are the ones upset over the change. We have been living with this for years. At least the jumpseat agreement is now reciprocal and fair for both sides. Status quo is perfectly fine with me.
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